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Originally Posted by TrvChBoy
Thanks for the help. Here are some quotes from the rules book that might cause confusion. Any advice? Emphasis mine.
From Robert's Rules of Poker No-Limit section: "A player who has already acted and is not facing a fullsize wager may not subsequently raise an all-in bet that is less than the minimum bet or less than the full size of the last bet or raise."
From the Glossary "ACTION: A fold, check, call, bet, or raise..."
From Cooke's Rules of Real Poker No Limit Poker Section 8.01: 8.01.03 No Checkraising An All-In Wager: "An all-in bet for less than the minimum bring-in may not be raised by any player who has already checked."
My advice is to read the very next rule in RRoP, which clarifies with an example which more or less directly matches your question, just starting with a bet rather than a check:
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4. Multiple all-in wagers, each of an amount too small to qualify as a raise, still act as a raise and reopen the betting if the resulting wager size to a player qualifies as a raise. Example: Player A bets $100 and Player B raises $100 more, making the total bet $200. If Player C goes all in for less than $300 total (not a full $100 raise), and Player A calls, then Player B has no option to raise again, because he wasn’t fully raised. (Player A could have raised, because Player B raised.)
The rule is that you cannot raise anything that is not a full bet or raise *to you*. If you check, and someone after you makes a full size bet, then you have all actions open to you when it gets back to you, regardless of whether other people call or raise in any amount after that.
I have never heard of Cooke's rules, and can't say anything about them. (ETA: which is especially funny, because I just looked them up and realized that Roy Cooke is someone I routinely play against at the 20-40 game at Bellagio when I am there.)
But what he says is correct (excluding the preamble "no check raising an all in wager", which is obviously wrong without the additional limitation of the all-in being for less than a full bet) as long as there is no additional action after the all-in for less than the minimum bet. e.g. if you're playing 10-25 NL, and player A and B check, and player C goes all in for $20, then A and B both have only two options: call or fold. Because neither of them is facing a full bet (or raise). But if there is a player D, too, and he raises (minimum raise is to 20+25=45), or raises all-in to at least 25, then both A and B are now facing a full bet, and either can raise.
TDA makes things even more clear:
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47: Re-Opening the Bet.
A: In no-limit and pot limit, an all-in wager (or cumulative multiple short all-ins) totaling less than a full bet or raise will not reopen betting for players who have already acted and are not facing at least a full bet or raise when the action returns to them. If multiple short all-ins re-open the betting, the minimum raise is always the last full valid bet or raise of the round (See also Rule 43).
Last edited by dinesh; 03-20-2023 at 01:21 PM.