What exactly did you want Rapini to do about a thread that was started in NVG where he has no mod powers?

how would i know he has no mod powers there, and why cant the people much higher up than him like malmuth or ray zee delete it entirely? i am not even sure if they read the forum or how to contact them or if they even read messages to them, they probably get 1000s

anyway both forums should follow the same rules about naming other members of 2+2 for something so important

we had a video and discussion about an abusive “celebrity” ex-con felonious player in the MGM NH venue thread nuked due to “privacy concerns”.

i would really appreciate other mods taking a look at the situation and figure out how we can discuss it and obtain a statement from the room manager as this player was threatening violence towards casino staff while security took selfies with him, with seemingly no further resolution by casino staff.

this concerns anyone who plays in the room as it will be another player versus this guy at some point and i can almost guarantee he’s packing (if not in the card room, at least in his glovebox). unfortunately us players do not have secured restricted exits and parking to leave the casino without potential of confrontation.

My suggestion would be to have the discussion without posting the video or naming or referring to any of the people involved specifically. It runs afoul of our rule on privacy.

To my understanding the "subject" of the video is a famous person, of a sort, so *perhaps* he would be OK to post in a video by himself, but none of the other people shown in the video are, including the many cardroom employees shown.

If the cardroom manager, who is active in the thread, asks, one of you can PM him a link to the video.

Alternately, if one of you wanted to go through the effort of making a version of the video that blurs out all the faces, that would probably also be acceptable.

I would probably also leave out any discussion which guesses about whether he is carrying in his glovebox, and just stick to the facts.

As Lattimer noted, we moderate these forums (CCP and Venues), not NVG.

If you think a post or thread in any forum should be deleted, feel free to use the "Report Post" button to report it, just like we ask you to do here, and a moderator in that forum will review the post.

FYI, each forum has its own set of rules. In our forum we have a privacy rule in place. NVG may or may not, I have no idea. If you think the privacy rule would be a good one to have in place sitewide, then the "About the Forums" forum is the right place to make that suggestion.

Alternately, if NVG allows posting videos like the one that was posted here, by all means post it there and have the discussion there.
This had nothing to do with it.

Wow, you got us. That's exactly why it was removed. Johnny gives tons of money to 2+2, so we in turn delete anything negative about MGMNH as soon as he alerts us to negative posts.

(The real reason is what dinesh said.)

Anytime you want mods outside of CCP to look at an issue in CCP--not sure why you would want that, but that's beside the point--you can post in About the Forums and other mods likely will see it there.

If you think the CCP mods have abused their discretion, you should get in touch with a site administrator, e.g., Mat Sklansky.

As dinesh said, we don't mod the forum that your thread is in. Additionally, I think you'd have some problems getting it removed because you've made your identity public voluntarily and you voluntarily participate on this site in a non-anonymous manner.

But if you feel strongly about the issue, you should contact the mods of that forum. If you're not satisfied with their response, contact a site admin.

Either way, it's not something that should be discussed in this thread.

I think by other mods he meant me and dinesh.

Well if that is what he meant, it looks like you've already completed his request.

that is indeed what i meant, thanks gentlemen. am tinkering with iMovie and see if i can make an appropriate version to discuss, or possibly a post describing the video with anonymous names besides the person in question, and i’ll PM JG as well to see if he can comment any further on it.

sorry i added some speculation at the end of my original post but there’s obv enough violence seemingly every week in the US without more happening due to a game.

that dude just released an album today (Chris Brown has a feature on it, what a surprise) so maybe it was just a misguided attempt at viral promotion beforehand, but either way highly inappropriate to the excellent staff there.

thanks again.

I don't think for a second that he didn't ask. He knows this is going on and is actively doing damage control. You're a player in the Maryland area, and have a vested interest in a room like the MGM being kept clean, especially if you're friendly with Johnny.

He doesn't need to give you any money for this to be a clear conflict of interest.

So as long as I don't link to the video (or the other thread like I just did) can I start this discussion back up? I think the video is important for the facts but I'm comfortable summing it up objectively to keep the discussion going

If I say "the floorperson" or "the dealer" that seems fine right?

For the sake of full transparency, I can tell you that acted without any input from anyone else--including Johnny Grooms or other mods--when I removed the video and the subsequent posts. And according to your user notes, your email address has Maryland Live in it. I think that both of those facts are relevant in determining where the conflict of interest really lies.

No, my e-mail absolutely does not have Maryland Live in it. What are user notes and how do I edit/see those? I worked at Maryland Live years ago, and I was instrumental in exposing something that ended up with them being slapped with a lawsuit. I'm comfortable with my integrity.

Can we get back to what I'd be allowed to post that you won't remove?

Your NVG thread seems to be going just fine. There's no need to discuss it in multiple places.

I don't think NVG was the appropriate place to discuss it, but I had to do something.

Can was also discuss what Usernotes are? Are these some kind of tool moderators have to take notes on us? Why did Rapini make that statement publicly and not in a DM if they are not something I can see, given his concern with privacy? I can't find them on my profile anywhere and it's troubling that they have a Maryland Live affiliation. I haven't worked there in years.

That's exactly what they are. The note on your MDL address is 4 years old. It's important for us to note cardroom employees when we identify them because there are restrictions about what they can post about the room they work in. That's all your particular note was for. The most common reason to add a user note on someone is to record a tempban since no other record exists. This can aid other mods when a poster acts up to see a pattern of history, know they've been previously warned, etc.

OK, that needs to be updated. I don't work there.

And why was this shared publicly on this thread? I've never posted as a MD live employee, nor been banned for doing so.

I can't speak for Rapini, he'll have to answer that. But if you want us to engage you seriously you might want to stop falsely accusing us of being in bed with the poker managers (as you're continuing to do in the MGMNH thread).

My expectation that you'll respect my privacy should not be contingent upon my observation of a possible conflict of interest, or being nice to you. I'm not deleting your comments, you're deleting mine.

It's possible there was no intentional conflict of interestet, or even a passive one, but it seemed very strange to remove anything that is public on youtube, and not posted specifically to this forum. I don't think anything productive will happen if we continue to have a discourse on something subjective, especially when it pertains to policy in this particular forum.

You accused me of bias without evidence, so I accused you of bias with evidence. Seems fair, doesn't it?

No, not it doesn't. You apparently have access to private information about me and have decided to make it public to, what, help you win an argument? You're in the position of trust and authority, not me. You have certain responsibilities with the information you're given.

Why is it acceptable for you to abuse that because you don't like what I said?

You opened the issue of bias by speculating wildly that I had some sort of bias in favor of MGMNH or Johnny Grooms. I countered with the evidence I had available to me. So that's where we're at. I guess next time don't make incorrect assumptions with no basis in fact.

What are my options for reporting Rapini to a team with authority over moderators?