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Originally Posted by DGAF
It doesn't matter what the edit was about, I just said it was a good metaphor for this sub-forum (based on my experience- this past week and a few times back when it was called "brick and mortar")...
Part of the problem you have understanding why certain things are done the way they are now in LCP is that you yourself state you haven't been here in a long time. Before this week, you say you weren't here since it was B&M. That was 18 months ago, and a lot has changed since then irt moderation and policies, with significant input from the regular users of the forum. And of course, the opinions of the people who regularly read and contribute to the forum carry more weight than those of people who drop in once every couple of years, say "this place sucks" and then disappear. As it should, just like your opinion would carry more weight than mine in the High Stakes forum
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I don't come to CLP often, but I gather it's primarily comprised of dealers and other card room employees. Thats's fine, but discussions are relatively worthless unless they are somewhat balanced in perspectives. And I don't see how anyone who isn't a card room employee could last very long here given the heavy anti-player/pro-worker vibe.
Actually, there are many players who regularly take part in the forum. But your thread was titled "PSA for dealers" and asked why dealers don't work harder in high stakes NL games Who did you expect to come to come into that thread--a bunch of 1/2 nl players? Your thread and comments were directed at dealers and those who manage them, and that's who participated in your thread.
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Having said that, I think it's lazy and a disservice to all card room employees to throw all posts that have to do with tipping into one massive, jumbled thread. Tipping is a huge part of their compensation. And compensation is a huge part of all of our lives.
Yes, tipping is important. And there is a thread dedicated to it. The reason for the containment thread is that all of those points and discussions have been had over and over again dozens of times in this forum. So while you think you are bringing a unique look at the issue, you are not.
For example, you started out with a common fallacy about dealer compensation when you extrapolated the dollars a dealer makes in one down to an hourly rate, when you said that $20/down equals $40/hour. That's a mistake that has happened a hundred times, and has been responded to a hundred times. So the regulars in LCP have no desire to repeat that same old discussion again and again everytime someone who spends little time in LCP brings it up and thinks he's discovered something new.
Other forums do the same thing, they just call their threads different names. Sometimes it's called FAQ; or Beginner Questions; or there is a "read this first" sticky. Just as poker strat people try and contain things like "is it OK to fold KK preflop" from coming up over and over again, so do the users of LCP want to contain the tipping repetitive arguments.
Here's how tipping always goes:
Dealers make $20/down, that's $40/hour! That's $80k a year! That's way too much for low skilled people doing what a trained monkey could do!
No we don't! It's nowhere near that! There are factors X,Y,Z you haven't taken into consideration! And it's a lot harder and takes way more skill to be a good dealer than you think!
So how much do you make? Give me a number!
No, that's personal and none of your business, plus it varies greatly by individual and location, so it would be meaningless!
Well, tipping sucks anyway, and cuts into my winrate! The casino should pay dealers a higher hourly rate, and have no tipping!
Well, then the rake will go up!
Then someone joins in: they don't tip where I live, and dealers still suck because they all get paid the same!
And on and on ad infinitum. Until it devolves to personal insults, and players claiming to know how dealers think, etc, etc. if you don't believe me, look at the some of the absurd comments about dealers that posters posted in your thread in HS pokers. One stood out:that dealers expect to get tipped double in a 2/5 game than in a 1/2 game, and double in a 5/10 game than a 2/5 game, and on up because the games are bigger. That may be the dumbest comment I have ever heard about a dealers view on tipping. I know no dealer that believes that. So a post like that drives more heated responses, and the downward spiral continues.
So that's how all tipping discussions end up, including the one in your PSA thread. The regular users of LCP prefer to keep those discussions in one place so the same arguments don't spam up the forum.
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Originally Posted by DGAF
Regardless, it seems really weird to me that you can only talk about moderation in this thread. Or that you can only talk about tipping in the tipping thread. People generally discuss what is important to them in the moment, wherever they are. "Moderation" (of this sub-form) and "tipping" are hot, important topics to 2p2ers. Let 'em discuss imo. That is how issues get resolved/truths get outed.
They are discussed, and in detail. And by keeping them in threads dedicated to them, it is easy to find those discussions rather than having to randomly come upon a tipping or moderation discussion in a thread with a completely unrelated topic. And likewise, if someone is reading a thread about, say, "tips for first visit to a poker room" he doesn't want to encounter a dozen posts about whether or not LCP should allow users to post the names of dealers in the forum. And if other people wanted to discuss and give their input to that question, they would never find that discussion because they aren't interested in the "first trip to a poker room" thread. It's strange that you are arguing against giving dedicated threads to important topics. The users here feel that it gives more visibility and coherence to those topics, not less.
Last edited by browser2920; 12-01-2016 at 03:50 AM.