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02-28-2019 , 04:24 PM
omg, I hope no one ever finds out about my @hotmail address!
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02-28-2019 , 04:48 PM
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2. The Privacy Rule. Don’t name names in your posts.

Respect others' privacy. Many of our most knowledgeable posters work in various poker rooms, and can only contribute by remaining anonymous. Likewise, many players wish to remain anonymous in regards to their card room. So unless another poster has given explicit consent to being discussed on this board; has given implicit consent by becoming an authorized room representative; or is a famous poker player (to be determined on a case-by-case basis unless it is someone who is undisputedly a celebrity poker player), do not post any information that could be used to identify a player or industry employee on the open forums.

This includes not just their names, but any physical descriptions or other identifying information. For example, don’t say “the supervisor who is seven feet tall with long red hair sucks”. This is an extremely important rule, and we will delete any post that contains a violation of privacy.
Where does your rule say anything about the 'doxxing' poster's intentions? The text reads like a clear DON'T DO IT without an exception for fighting untruths.

Also I can't tell if Rapini fully published an email address or just said it was a casino domain.
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02-28-2019 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Where does your rule say anything about the 'doxxing' poster's intentions? The text reads like a clear DON'T DO IT without an exception for fighting untruths.

Also I can't tell if Rapini fully published an email address or just said it was a casino domain.
He only published the domain.

It was enough of a data point to identify exactly who I was. I exposed a massive poker ponzi scheme on here (The PPC), and in theory could have had some very pissed off people looking for me.

I didn't have that issue, because that's not how I roll and I told them exactly what I did and why I did it (spoiler they were really mad I went public without giving them an option to talk to me first - read pay off).
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02-28-2019 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
Tomark is a liar. And I say liar here because his untruths are intentional.

Tomark has provided deliberately false information to the MGMNH thread. I have called him out on it. And he has complained about me calling him out on it. In the past, I have used a tone that I should not have with him. I have apologized to him for that and he can confirm. But I will continue to take people to task for misleading or outright lying to the community and I think everyone should do the same.
Yeah, I already noted this claim. And I also noted that your claim was a direct response to me reporting one of your posts. Both other moderators voted against your ban of me ("the system works!"), and I further provided 2 other examples of you making the same claim against others as well to show that its just more of the classic Rapini playbook. This is why you should not be moderator. You use personal judgement to determine whether someone is a liar, and your judgement is so regularly shown to be among the poorest in the forums. You cannot be trusted to be able to make such a judgement. I couldnt care less if you think I am a liar because you are the Armond White of judgement calls.

Also, even if all the people youve accused of lying actually did lie, "lying", "misleading", or inaccurate posts is not against the rules, unlike posting identifying information about clikitback, calling me an *******, and just generally personally attacking people and being unbelievably unfriendly. The reason for "lying" not being against the rules is probably because "lying" or "misleading" people is subjective, and the forums cant afford to allow for as poor of a moderator as you to be given the opportunity to make such a subjective judgement call.

Its amazing that there is a pinned thread titled "read before posting", and Rapini didnt even bother reading it before he started moderating.

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If we can't even agree on whether doxxing requires malicious intent or identifying an individual, then as much as I'd like to there's no way we could bet on it.
This is exactly why you cant be trusted with judging whether someone is lying. You cant even read the dictionary when someone pastes it into the forums for you. Are you unaware of what the word "typically" means? Or wait, i think that makes you a liar, right?
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03-01-2019 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ClickItBak
I could lie my face off all day (or commit untruth or whatever you want to say) and that wouldn't change anything. Your imperative to keep my information to yourself is the exact same as every other member of the 2+2 team whether I'm lying or not, or you like me or not.
That is the crux of the issue. I was willing to accept the consequences of giving the community the information necessary to make a proper judgment about your claim of bias when you were the one with bias. I did not provide information that identified you, but only that identified your bias. And I did so in response to your claim that I had a bias that I do not have.

If what you said about what you went through standing up to MDL about the PPC issue is true, I'd think you'd have a better understanding of that. And it's tough for me to square that with making baseless accusations against me about bias.
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03-01-2019 , 11:46 AM
I also should add that I've never seen ClikItBak's email address and I don't know ClikItBak's identity, nor do I care to know it.
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03-01-2019 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
I did not provide information that identified you, but only that identified your bias.
Wrong. Quit minimizing what you did. You keep glossing over the fact that you didn't just point out he had a bias, you publicly stated who his employer was which made it possible for some people to identify him as an individual.

Whether you think that information is enough for others to identify him is not your call to make when you are supposed to protect that information. If someone identified your employer, even if they did so only to point out your bias, I'm sure you wouldn't be coming to his or her defense. Why you think that is some kind of justification for your action is laughable. It explains why you did it, but it certainly doesn't make it acceptable.
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03-01-2019 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Eponymous
Wrong. Quit minimizing what you did. You keep glossing over the fact that you didn't just point out he had a bias, you publicly stated who his employer was which made it possible for some people to identify him as an individual.

Whether you think that information is enough for others to identify him is not your call to make when you are supposed to protect that information. If someone identified your employer, even if they did so only to point out your bias, I'm sure you wouldn't be coming to his or her defense. Why you think that is some kind of justification for your action is laughable. It explains why you did it, but it certainly doesn't make it acceptable.
I'm not seeking to minimize what I did. Sorry if you took it that way. I stated that his email address had Maryland Live in it. I have said that multiple times. That doesn't identify who he is.

As for me, I don't recall making baseless, false accusations about others' bias. I'm open to the idea that I might have at some point, but if I did hopefully I apologized for it.

How could I have made his bias known without stating where he worked?
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03-01-2019 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
How could I have made his bias known without stating where he worked?
You probably couldn't, but that doesn't mean you had to do it. You could have thought to yourself, "I could really expose this guy's bias, but I would have to neglect my obligation as a mod to protect the forum members' private information, so I can't."
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03-01-2019 , 02:10 PM
This is particularly problematic after you have banned and exiled posters for privacy violations that were similarly not sufficient information on their own to identify the person.

It's also problematic to say "how could I make my point without breaking the rules?" when you frequently tell people that if they can't make their point without breaking the rules to just not post.

Frankly, you sound just like a self-righteous poster that you had infracted right now.
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03-01-2019 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
I just looked and the post that was deleted seemed to be some sort of typo you made. But your user notes say that you were excluded from that thread for violations of the privacy guideline. So please don't post there going forward.
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I also should add that I've never seen ClikItBak's email address and I don't know ClikItBak's identity, nor do I care to know it.
Rapini continues to perpetuate his claim that I violated someone's privacy because I used nicknames in my posts. I usually don't know their proper name. Now we learn that around the same time Rapini published specific identifiable details about another one his enemies.
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03-02-2019 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
That is the crux of the issue. I was willing to accept the consequences of giving the community the information necessary to make a proper judgment about your claim of bias when you were the one with bias. I did not provide information that identified you, but only that identified your bias. And I did so in response to your claim that I had a bias that I do not have.

If what you said about what you went through standing up to MDL about the PPC issue is true, I'd think you'd have a better understanding of that. And it's tough for me to square that with making baseless accusations against me about bias.
The reason I'm not engaging with you about your random attacks about truth is because of how obnoxious the line you're taking there is. In this instance, all you have to do is look at my post history and find the thread where I called them out.

You said you were willing to accept the consequences, and every other person that did what you did would have had those consequences levied against them by you. In your case, mat ignored my message to him as just another crybaby - and you've received no consequences. You don't even think what you did was wrong because it was for the "good cause" of retribution because someone said something bad about God (you. according to you.)
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03-04-2019 , 01:19 AM
Haven't heard from Rapini in a couple of days. One can only hope that means action was finally taken. Thanks for having my back on this everyone.
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03-04-2019 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ClickItBak
Haven't heard from Rapini in a couple of days. One can only hope that means action was finally taken. Thanks for having my back on this everyone.
I'll have a more detailed response sometime soon, but I think we've gotten to the "agree to disagree" point of the discussion. Specifically, you think it's fine for you to mislead the community with baseless accusations of bias and I think it's fine that I told the community where you worked to show that you had bias in response to your misleading statements.
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03-04-2019 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapini
...you think it's fine for you to mislead the community with baseless accusations of bias and I am the only one that thinks it's fine that I told the community where you worked to show that you had bias in response to your misleading statements.
FYP for completeness.
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03-04-2019 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Eponymous
FYP for completeness.
Actually, I don't thing the quote needs any fixing at all.

"...I think it's fine that I told the community where you worked to show that you had bias in response to your misleading statements."


This is a very clear and concise statement of why he should not be a mod with access to twoplustwo company data.
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03-04-2019 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by IQofTwoPlusTwo
Actually, I don't thing the quote needs any fixing at all.

"...I think it's fine that I told the community where you worked to show that you had bias in response to your misleading statements."


This is a very clear and concise statement of why he should not be a mod with access to twoplustwo company data.
Good point. Even after having a lot of time and input from others to consider otherwise.
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03-06-2019 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by IQofTwoPlusTwo
Actually, I don't thing the quote needs any fixing at all.

"...I think it's fine that I told the community where you worked to show that you had bias in response to your misleading statements."


This is a very clear and concise statement of why he should not be a mod with access to twoplustwo company data.
This is the best post on this topic from the past few weeks.
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03-06-2019 , 08:31 PM
A very high bar.
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03-07-2019 , 01:51 AM
Hey guys, i sent a PM to Mat Sklansky asking that Rapini be removed from moderation, saying I was just one of many, and he sent this outrageous claim:

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There were complaints about rapini years ago, but only you and one other recently.
I encourage everyone here to send a PM directly to Mat Sklansky asking for Rapinis removal as moderator, so he can stop sticking his head in the sand about this.
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03-10-2019 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
Hey guys, i sent a PM to Mat Sklansky asking that Rapini be removed from moderation, saying I was just one of many, and he sent this outrageous claim:



I encourage everyone here to send a PM directly to Mat Sklansky asking for Rapinis removal as moderator, so he can stop sticking his head in the sand about this.
I was gone for a couple of days, and it wasn't my first time, but I took the time to message him again referencing the back and forth here. For what it's worth his response last time was

"If you feel the posts were inappropriate, why don't you want them deleted? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding." And he ceased responses from there. Mat gets a lot of e-mail, but if anyone has a problem with Rapini this is the time to voice those concerns.
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03-16-2019 , 06:38 PM
This hasn't been ignored. Rapini intends to post more about this and we should hold him to that. There has been some private discussion among the current moderators. Four people sent me private messages expressing concern. Just felt I should give an update.
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03-16-2019 , 07:46 PM
I took a few months off from posting here or in the MGM thread because it became clear to me that absolutely nothing was going to happen. Lots of talk, lots of posting - at the end of the day, absolutely nothing.

I PMd 4 mods, two of whom took the time to get back to me. They were very responsive and not only agreed with my sentiment but also that absolutely nothing was going to happen here.

Direct quote from one of the mods:

"TBH it's (nothing will happen) because the admins don't give a **** enough to rock the boat."

And yes, my PMs to Mat went unanswered.

Whatever, I'm over it. Like I said, I had some very good interactions with other mods who assured me that absolutely nothing was going to be done. So to be honest, for the rest of you guys, its really not worth getting revved up about anymore.
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03-17-2019 , 04:18 AM
I dont even see how this is a question. If Rapini is pissing off this many people, remove him as mod, add someone else as mod. This isnt difficult to do, you could get it done by breakfast. You could literally blindly make someone a mod and it would likely be an improvement (or just not add another one).

Being a mod isnt a right. Recognize the bar here. You dont need a good reason to get rid of him you need a good reason to keep him.

I can say with some confidence that nobody who complained about him cares what he has to say. His words mean less than nothing to me. If he said the sky wasnt falling id jump out of my chair and check.

I appreciate this not being ignored now, but you admitted to as much before I asked others to PM you. Now that your head is out of the sand on this, either remove him, or you give the embarrassing reasoning for why youve chosen to keep him. And then I want you to be on call to deal with the next major outcry against him, because it wont be long. It never is.
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03-17-2019 , 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
either remove him, or you give the embarrassing reasoning for why youve chosen to keep him.
lol giving Mat ultimatums always goes well
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