If it's a place with a gaming commission you call them.

If you're at an Indian casino you just comply because you don't really have any recourse.

Steven Bridges has a youtube series about being a professional card counter and he has from time to time refused to show ID when it doesn’t reach a certain limit.

https://youtu.be/NY-n-_tduaM?si=gBG0KOeHLUwwHgYf

Needless to say it can be an unpleasant and confusing experience, as well as pretty much a guaranteed ban.

Yeah I just meant that some jurisdictions it might be a lower limit. Not that it might be higher. Although I couldn’t find anything directly to back that up so I could be wrong. Still good to check out the local laws to see what the casino is allowed to enforce with regard to cashing people out while showing ID.

While 'local' authorities are allowed to set more stringent limits when it comes to Federal or State laws, it's very unlikely that they would do so for this exact spot .. what are they to gain from having this law on the books?

Indian Casinos do have Gaming oversite, but it's just not via the same Gaming Board as a public casino .. so while it may be way less 'fruitful' to get Tribal Gaming involved in a spot, they do still have it. And most Tribal Gaming Boards do have to follow/answer to the Federal Tribal Gaming Commission should they belong to entity.

As mentioned above .. Why create the dust? Yes, you could be trespassed and end up delayed for a long time. In one YT CC BJ Vlog I'm pretty sure the local police were called in and in the end he did get his cashed out. There was definitely another where they gave up on the Trespass, but also refused to cash out his chips. These were mostly Tribal on west of the MS River. In one spot he was getting away with playing but didn't realize or remember that 'this' casino' had joined together with others and the Head of Security just happened to be there that day and saw him at a table. GL

Horrible advice. If you happen to actually hit the $10K amount and do what you say it is literally illegal. It is called structuring.

If you do it and think you get away with it (or just refuse to provide ID) the casino is likely to still file a CTR (they will just note you refused AND that you appear to be structuring). They will also probably file a SAR (Suspect Activity Report).

While a SAR (or even several, as the Biden's) may not result in anything, a SAR garners much more attention in the gov't.

While a casino is required to file a CTR is daily cash transactions cumulatively reach $10K (in or out BTW), there is no rule they can't file for a lower amount. Many institutions set a lower limit. Thoug 2,000 or even 3,000 seems excessively low.

The idea this is for W-2 issue or witholding doesn't work as there is no way with certainty for them to know how much you started with. IOW, if you cash out for $25k how would casino KNOW that you did not pull $30K from your pocket and thus you are not a $25K winner but a $5K loser. Know way the cage is going to know this.

This is exactly why a $1200 win is always a "hand pay" for slots.

CTR doesn't get filed with IRS but the IRS certainly can access any CTR they want. Same for a SAR.

Any institution may or may not tell you they are filing a CTR. That is left up to the institution to decide. For a SAR, you will never be told as they are not allowed to tell you. It is in the enforcement regs that SARs are not to be revealed to the suspect.

I have been asked before for low amounts like low $2K but only on principle as such a low single cash out is ridiculous IMO.

I agree I have never heard of any cash out at a cage being garnished. BUT I have definintely heard of poker jack pots and significant slot JPs being completely withheld for back taxes, unpaid child support, etc. I suspect it depends on the size. A $1500 slot hand pay is likely not to get withheld BUT I would not be shocked if it was. It is very easy to run the info while they are verifying. They have all the data needed to run a check while they are off getting the money. Same for a poker jackpot that requres tax reporting/withholding. That is probably very state dependent.

They can ban you from the casino even if you do. And if you are truly an advantaged player, they probably will ban you with or without ID. Just harder (by a small amount) to enforce your ban w/o a ID but not that much harder.