Lol! How would JJ ever be good here. Is this raise ever a bluff at 1/2? What could someone possibly think about for 5+ minutes??

Yeah, No-limit killed poker. There are more poker rooms now than ever before and they continue to pop up all over the place. Poker is dead!

I can't even imagine tanking for four minutes. Not even sure what I would be thinking about for that long.

The other night at a turbo MTT, we were coming up on the end of a level, and I was UTG . I was trying to tank a bit so that the level would increase when I was in the SB. I looked at my cards and tanked as long as I could before it felt unbearably uncomfortable and forced. Then I folded

I had tanked about 6 seconds.

$150! Wow, that is a lot of money. What's the pot now, looks like there's like between 10 and 30 chips there so like maybe 50 carry the 1 maybe 60 oh wait but I bet too so maybe like 80 plus whatever I bet which is 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 so 80 plus 75 wait no there's got to be more than 80 in the pot okay let's just say it's 130 plus 75 which makes 150 like half pot which probably means he has the flush. Goddamn river. I was totally ahead too, I knew he just had a draw. Can't believe he called the turn with just a flush draw. Unless he has a set. I mean I guess he could have a set or a flush. A set or two pair or a flush. I should fold. But maybe he knows that I know so he has a busted straight draw and he's bluffing. Does he look like he's bluffing? I'll give him a staredown and see if he blinks. HA, he blinked, he's definitely bluffing. Wait he just blinked again. Maybe he's just got dry eyes. Wow my eyes are dry too. I should see if they sell eyedrops in the vending machine. Maybe I can get one of thw waitresses to bring it over for me. Maybe it'll be the one who looks like Stormy Daniels. Well maybe Stormy Daniels 10 years ago. I'd definitely have hit that 10 years ago. I mean I'd probably hit that now but definitely 10 years ago. I probably have some of her movies I pirated off of Kazaa. Oh **** I'm using up my minute. I hate those guys who just tank forever. Okay, so the raise is 250. Wait, is it 250 total or 250 on top? I wish the dealer would be clearer about these things. The pot was like 100, so he's either got a monster or absolutely nothing. And he definitely knows that I know so he's probably playing GTO. So my best play is to just randomize my calling range so I'm unpredictable. I'll just look at the second hand on the clock oh wait it's a digital clock. Does anyone even wear a watch any more? Why is everyone looking at me like that? Those chodes would probably just snap call like the huge fish they are. They don't have the capability to analyze the situation and put people on ranges and know the pot odds like I do. I can't believe I lose money to these dumb pieces of ****. It's better to be lucky than good I guess. Okay gotta focus, time's running out. Okay okay okay so GTO is off the table but I'll just trust that he's good enough to know I'm good enough to make the tough call here.

"I call."

**** I should have folded.

Out of curiosity. Was this at Mohegan Sun this past Monday Memorial Day? lol

No, but it was in New England.


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Wow Something very similar happened on a table I was playing on Monday.

Two players on the hand, Player A bet, Player B raise, Player A re-raise, Player B tanks... Player A then calls clock, table said you could not call clock if you were involved in the hand. Player C (Not involved in the hand) then called the clock, floor was called, and he said "you could not call clock in a cash game"

Player B folded...

Don’t know why I read that entire wall o text but it was entertaining. Well played.

Its funny because in the room near me you can ONLY call the clock if you are currently in the hand. Had a spot come up where on the river in a 1/2 game where someone bet and the other player went all in for about $80 more. I waited for about 2 minutes on my phone, then got up and used the restroom, washed my hands, went and grabbed a coffee, came back waited around for another 2 minutes or so. By then about 10-15 minutes had gone by so I told the dealer "clock". He just shook his head at me, then I asked "I can't call the clock?" he said no, then he called the floor over to also tell me that I cannot call the clock unless I am in the action. Shortly after the player folded top two pair and the other player showed a straight, there were no hard feelings between any of us players, but the staff seemed kind of annoyed for some reason.

Everything has context and perspective. $80 to one player may mean more than another. One player may take 'the game' seriously regardless of the amount of chips being considered. It's what make poker so interesting. You can have a home game with the same 9 guys ... but change how they are sitting and the game changes!

I saw one spot where a guy had a similar decision for $76, but he was on his last BI and had only been at the table for less than an hour. So from that 'perspective' it was a pretty big decision for him. The 'big stack' opponent didn't feel it was a tank worthy spot and called clock fairly quick IMO. Of course the tanker was pissed and started to have it out with the Floor upon arrival. The Floor finally told him there was nothing he could do and said "I'm starting the clock."

Tanker then blurts out "I'm taking the whole damn minute, just to waste your time." The Floor responded ... "You have 10 seconds to act Sir." Which, to no surprise, set off the Tanker even more. He called, won the pot and promptly left anyway. GL

PS .. Yes, the Floor can make that decision if he feels a Player is 'wasting our time'.

That was ....sublime.

Although, I actually think it goes more like this

"I think he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing. But maybe he has it. No, he is bluffing.:

Joking aside, I think a lot of people are simply waiting to let their minds catch up with their feelings. They really are just kind of spinning around because they make (or already have made) an emotional decision and need to justify it.

"Emotional decision" is usually used in a perjorative context but I mean it neutrally. People who make emotional decisions are often processing a multidimensional problem subconsciously and it manifests itself as a "gut feeling" rather than a conscious thought.

I bet a lot of the best poker players think emotionally, they look at a situation and immediately recognize that their opponent's bluffing range is disproportionately wide and that calling is a no brainer. A thinker will count the combos and analyze the equities of the ranges and will take 4 hours of number crunching to arrive at the same conclusion.

But on the flip side just as most thinkers will think things through poorly, most feelers will feel things poorly. Either, though, will take the time and just kind of putz around until they can talk themselves into doing what their heart decided to do in the first half a second. They're not thinking about much.

And that's okay with me. It does get excessive a lot of the time but I'm never going to rush someone and give them an excuse for why they lost the hand or a reason to get me back.

I agree with the idea of gut feelings. A lot of time you know that a villains line doesn't make sense and something seems off, but you could have trouble describing the exact reasons WHY it seems wrong. Your brain processes a lot of things are a subconscious level.

But I also agree that a lot of the time tankers emotionally have a desire to do a thing that could be bad, and they are trying to either justify it to themselves or talk themselves out of it.

The blinds aren't going to go up (like a tourney), so I give a TON of leeway in allowing people to tank on their decisions. We want the games to be fun and enjoyable for everyone, rather than feeling like we are in school or bootcamp.

With that in mind, if the offending player habitually takes a long time then maybe say something. If they aren't good for the game, then say something sooner rather than later.