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He will tell you to use your contacts with the hundreds of people you meet every week to pitch the product, whatever that is.

You do not want to go there. keep your life and outside businesses out of the poker room, it will only create resentment and there is likely a company policy against it anyway.

Someone was recently fired from my room for this type of thing.

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07-11-2012 , 04:05 PM

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Quadstriker

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SOOOOOOOOooooooooooo...

Do you guys say anything to the guy who's explaining his awesome blackjack betting system (Martingale ldo) to whoever will listen?

I did for the first time yesterday. All I said was, "If you ever want to do some reading on that, look up "Martingale" online."

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07-11-2012 , 04:27 PM

#2429

Shiftyeye7

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don't tap the glass!!!

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07-11-2012 , 04:44 PM

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ibelieveyouoweme$80k

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Originally Posted by NYCNative

Someone in my room just asked me if I wanted "to make extra money" and gave me a business card which has to do with electrical work and other manual labor. I was thinking "does he think I can do that," but your post made me look at it closely and on the back says "To join xxxxx and start a business" (xxxx = the business name which I will not provide here) with a link to a website. I am pretty sure this has to do with switching electricity providers, which has overrun my state the past year or so. I will now email him but I am pretty sure this is not for me...

i think this requires a major investment of $$$ on your part.

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07-11-2012 , 04:48 PM

#2431

MJ88

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Originally Posted by Quadstriker

This is like trying to teach the pig to sing... (Wastes your time and annoys the pig.)

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07-11-2012 , 05:03 PM

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d1cedealr

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Originally Posted by Quadstriker

How did that work out for you? I deal in the pit so I hear these kinds of things all the time. I tend to not say anything. I learned not to open that can of worms. Like mother always says," If you can't say something good, don't say anything at all."

While I know that what you said isn't bad, I think there are a lot of delusional people out there who might feel like you are challenging/discrediting them by telling someone to look it up instead of learning all about the "brilliant" system right then and there.

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07-11-2012 , 05:53 PM

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youtalkfunny

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Originally Posted by Lord_Strife

looool maybe he thinks is the only thing you need to do now that you're losing all that weight

Nobody has noticed yet that I'm losing weight, outside of the people I've mentioned it to. I wonder how much I'm going to have to lose before folks start to notice.

If any of you don't read OOT and don't know what we're talking about, click the spoiler for the cliff notes.

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Originally Posted by pfapfap

Checked to Seat 1, who sileny waves his hand in a "shoo shoo" motion to the next player to act...
I put out the burn, at which point Seat 1 loudly protests that he didn't check, he was asking Seat 5 to move his hands away from his chips.

Two players left in the tourney. First player checks the flop. Second player does an angry "shoo shoo".

I put out the turn, and button goes bananas. "What are doing? I bet!"

I reenacted his shooing, implying, "What else could I take that to mean BUT check?"

"No, I meant I'm ALL-IN!"

Oh, I see. You were silently ordering your chips into battle, and motioning to them which way they should march???

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Originally Posted by Quadstriker

When I was a kid, the only gambling book in my town's local library was all about a Martingale-like system (less drastic than "double up after a loss", but it was still predicated on raising bets after losses to recoup). It was like 150 pages of the author boasting about crushing the roulette games in Monte Carlo or something, with the system spelled out in the appendix in about 3-4 pages.

Do you know how much money I've lost lifetime with this sure-fire system? I've never been in favor of banning books, but that book is a menace. I wonder how much damage this one copy has done in my hometown alone--you know I'm not the only sucker to buy into it. Every time I'm home on a visit, I'm tempted to go to the library, see if they still have it, and either steal it, burn it, or at least tear out the pages that spell out the system. For the public good.

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07-11-2012 , 10:50 PM

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NYCNative

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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb

i think this requires a major investment of $$$ on your part.

The answer is 99% to be no. That would make it 100%.

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07-11-2012 , 10:56 PM

#2435

NYCNative

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Good luck on your weight loss, YTF!

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07-12-2012 , 03:46 AM

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Quadstriker

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Originally Posted by d1cedealr

Shockingly, the guy who was being blabbed at said something like, "Yeah I couldn't remember the name of it." The Blabber pretty much stopped that line of conversation cold at that point. I guess because he realized he knew by far the least about what he was trying to talk about. He was a nice guy, I was genuinely trying to think of the nicest way possible to say "You know that's really ****ing stupid?" Will he actually look it up? Doubtful. Will he come to realize that he's not a gambling genius who found a way to beat the house? Who knows?

YTF,

Keep it up!

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07-23-2012 , 03:05 AM

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It's been really quite around here.

I don't have much to add, but for all you veteran dealers that have the schedule of your choice and no longer work nights or weekends when it's the busiest, I'd recommend doing it every once in a while. I have Thur/Fri/Sat off, and those are most recreational players days to go play bc most people get paid on Thur or Fri.. I'm usually a 7pm start time but I worked a 9pm-5am Saturday night shift and it was actually the most fun I had dealing in quite a while. So many less nits, so many better tippers, and honestly most coworkers are newer and more excited to be at work rather than crotchy old timers who hate their lives. I kind of miss it now...

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07-23-2012 , 03:30 AM

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youtalkfunny

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That's the reason I've always worked nights since I started in poker.

I almost made a HUGE mistake tonight, would have cost a player half of a big pot, only luck saved me.

Three-handed $40-80 mixed game, I'm dealing O/8. Button folds early, SB and BB go to war. Board shows xxJQK, no pair on board, no flush possible. BB gets the last bet in, turns up ATxx for the nuts.

SB is slow to turn up his hand. He tables JT, but doesn't table his other two cards (there may have been a 9 on board, I don't recall, but he showed a T and a paint card for some reason). He's sitting right next to me, and I can see he has an Ace (iow, he has the same nut straight).

As he starts to table the last two cards, I start stacking the pot for a chop (house procedure prohibits me from stacking the pot during the hand if no low is possible).

BB speaks up immediately. "Whoa-oh-oh, what are you doing? I've got the nuts, there's no chop."

I start to say, "So does he," but somehow manage to bite my tongue in time, because SB, while tabling his other cards (and clearly not seeing he has the same hand) FROZE upon hearing "Whoa-oh-oh!" Now, instead of tabling like he was about to, he mucks.

I push the pot to BB, and let out a breath like I just narrowly escaped getting hit by a truck.

Last edited by youtalkfunny; 07-23-2012 at 03:33 AM. Reason: To be clear, BB could not see SB's Ace when he shouted "Whoa-oh-oh", he wasn't angling.

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07-23-2012 , 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Strife

I worked a 9pm-5am Saturday night shift and it was actually the most fun I had dealing in quite a while..

I've done the same thing recentely and really enjoyed the weekend night customers.

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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

(house procedure prohibits me from stacking the pot during the hand if no low is possible).

I like that rule. Where I work now they want the pot always stacked.

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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

but somehow manage to bite my tongue in time.

Nice save.

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07-23-2012 , 04:12 AM

#2440

Peter

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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

Sounds to me that you did cost somebody half the pot. From the description here it sounds like the SB was about to table his complete hand but stopped because of the WHOA by the BB. That WHOA would not have happened if you hadn't started chopping, right?

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07-23-2012 , 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Strife

but I worked a 9pm-5am Saturday night shift and it was actually the most fun I had dealing in quite a while. So many less nits, so many better tippers, and honestly most coworkers are newer and more excited to be at work rather than crotchy old timers who hate their lives.

Working in a poker room on day shift will kill your soul.

Swing is where it's at.

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07-23-2012 , 09:03 AM

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FishFry1984

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Originally Posted by steamraise

I've done the same thing recentely and really enjoyed the weekend night customers.

I like that rule. Where I work now they want the pot always stacked.

Nice save.

I actually dislike the rule. If the pot gets stacked every hand no matter what, some players actually think they have a low and that there is a possible low when there isn't.
I prefer the rule where the pot should be stacked no matter what

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07-23-2012 , 02:15 PM

#2443

PAhoser

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Originally Posted by FishFry1984

As do I - dealers sometimes stacking a pot is essentially helping players read their hand.

Either stack or don't, just keep it consistent.

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07-23-2012 , 02:57 PM

#2444

UbinTook

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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

I start stacking the pot for a chop (house procedure prohibits me from stacking the pot during the hand if no low is possible).

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Originally Posted by steamraise

I like that rule. Where I work now they want the pot always stacked.

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Originally Posted by FishFry1984

A dealer stacking the pot isnt/shouldnt be used to trick players into thinking they have a low.

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Originally Posted by PAhoser

As do I - dealers sometimes stacking a pot is essentially helping players read their hand.

Either stack or don't, just keep it consistent.

I always stack, as i recall i learned O/8( 20 years ago) with that rule as procedure and Ive never varied. I honestly couldn't tell you if must stack IS the "rule" wherein my room but i do know that there is no specific rule prohibiting me from stacking if no low is possible.

As others have pointed out, if at times you don't stack, you are indicating to the players there is no low. Borders on vocalizing " No low", no no no.

Another reason to stack...even with a high only board it is not unlikely that the pot will chop anyway, better to be ready that not.

And the last reason i prefer a stack is because of the kill.
If the pot is stacked and pushed to a single winner i can easily verify/back myself up to them that the trigger amount was reached for them to place a kill; so often i push the pot, state " Kill pot", only to have them intermingle the stacks i just pushed them and say; "that wasn't enough for a kill was it?"
"Why yes, there were X stack of X chips = $x.00 ...Kill Pot."
The cant argue with it.
If you push them a pile of chips they can argue with you all day.
Stacking saves time.

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07-23-2012 , 03:08 PM

#2445

psandman

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Originally Posted by UbinTook

And the last reason i prefer a stack is because of the kill.
If the pot is stacked and pushed to a single winner i can easily verify/back myself up to them that the trigger amount was reached for them to place a kill; so often i push the pot, state " Kill pot", only to have them intermingle the stacks i just pushed them and say; "that wasn't enough for a kill was it?"
"Why yes, there were X stack of X chips = $x.00 ...Kill Pot."
The cant argue with it.

of course they can argue with it ... They are omaha players.

Years ago I pushed a pot that was enough for kill to a player and announced it was a kill and gave the player a kill button. he stacke dthe chips into his stack through me back the kill button and announced it wasn;t enough for a kill. I recited all the action back to him with a running total. Every player at the table agreed that the action I recited was correct.

The players response: "Well i don't know where the rest of that pot went because there is no way that was $x."

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07-23-2012 , 03:18 PM

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I really dislike it when dealers are obvious about stacking or keeping bets separated in hold'em when the action suggests a chop might be possible. I know they are trying to save time, but if one person doesn't have the nuts, then this might trigger them to rethink about their hand.

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07-23-2012 , 07:43 PM

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NYCNative

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Re: Stacking Chips in H/L Games

We were trained to always do this even if there was no low. It's a player's job to read the board and not my job to help him or her until showdown.

I made a big mistake one of the first times I was dealing O8. Someone tables his hand and I audibly said "Okay, does anyone have a low," and he went ballistic on me - and rightly so. Nobody had a low but I could have cost him half the pot. Learned my lesson big time and never will make that mistake again.

I was told that in Stud H/L that in a head's up pot that it's common for dealers to leave the bets in front of the players. Is this true/allowed? Never dealt the game thus far. Played it a few times as part of a HORSE rotation but don't only recall the dealers being raw on every non-HE game (it was a relatively new room at the time with new dealers).

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07-23-2012 , 08:36 PM

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In higher limit, that is common regardless of game type to just keep the bets in front of each player when heads up.

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07-23-2012 , 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCNative

I was told that in Stud H/L that in a head's up pot that it's common for dealers to leave the bets in front of the players. Is this true/allowed?

This is common in all split pot games.

I once dealt a O8 tournament where we were told that we could not leave the bets in front of the players and the players went ballistic .... the procedure was changed by the next time we ran the tournament.