I would say "you're the big blind" while trying to make eye contact and give it a sec. If it doesn't click it's mucked.

For previous hands I don't answer because 99% of the time I couldn't answer even if I was going to get paid. Usually a player will answer anyway.

TLDR: just venting about a coworker trying to call me out in front of 10 players and my manager.

You all have probably seen some of my previous post. I'm new to dealing but not the game. I've been working a week with no serious mess ups. Only big mess up is maybe a side pot off 1$ or 2$ at most which we've caught immediately. And a couple times I realized I forgot to rake. No serious game changers yet lol. So far though I've been tipped twice just for being new and enjoyable to be around. I've had a few say I'm pretty good for a new guy and they would have never guessed it was my first week.

So I know I'm new, I dont think I'm professional or anything and I own my newness. It's fine we all start somewhere. But I can say hopefully without sounding arrogant that I do believe I'm better than most new dealers and feel pretty confident now. I thought I'd be pretty slow and nervous for the first month but I've actually been handling most situations okay and already feel comfortable. Just need to work on my pitch. So I've felt pretty good about myself whereas I thought I'd be struggling.

Today toward the end of my shift after being locked in for an hour and a half as the only dealer, my co worker (who has never seen me before so obv knows I'm a new in the poker room) came in. He taps me out as I'm dealing a hand so obv has to wait while the hand plays out. The check in desk/floor manager/co worker are all behind me so I cant see what's going on.

Well he must have walked off to my other co worker and floor manager and said something and brought them over. I hear him say while standing right behind me loud and clear as day for all 10 players to hear "this guy has no idea what he's doing". I then hear the other dealer say "it's fine that's why I'm here". At this time I had no idea he was talking about me since I finished the hand which everything went fine and quickly. I didn't mess anything up or take forever.

So as I'm getting up and he's sitting down my other coworker says "hold on we have to count the well it may be short." The guy who complained about me and sat to deal counts it. The floor manager asks if it's okay and he just waves his hand and starts dealing. Doesnt say "oh I miscounted sorry" or anything.

So as we are walking away my coworker says "old man must have miscounted over your shoulder you're good to go."

Not sure why I typed all this here or what I expect to hear but I mostly just needed to vent somewhere lol. This had me a little irritated. It's fine if he thought I did something wrong or if he could tell I'm new but to announce it in front of 10 players, 7 or 8 which are regulars, seemed so out of line. Why basically cause a scene instead of saying something if it's short when he sits down. It was a little embarrassing for me. I really hope this guy isn't like this all the time and was just having a bad day. I thought my first insult would be from a player lol.

Ask the guy why he said you have no idea what you're doing. Maybe you are doing something wrong. It's probably something that's not a big deal and dude was a dick but it's also very likely that you actually are doing something wrong. Either way don't sweat it!

You said you were locked in for an hour and a half on the only table before your relief came, so I can assume you were working grave and the relief dealer was coming in around 7-8am. I can also assume that relief dealer is an old fart who is bitter and hates his job. I wouldn't take anything he says to heart, his dealing days are numbered and he's probably pissed he was bad with money throughout life so can't retire already.

At least that's how it is at my joint.

Only thing I could possibly think of was the well was possibly not sorted out the way he likes it. I had my short stacks lamered off as I should with the 25$ chips in 4 chip stacks, 5$ in 5 chip stacks, etc. I'll have to ask next time I work. When he walked over it was heads up 150$ in the pot on the flop so the rake and everything was already done. I was basically just waiting on the 2 players to make decisions so I'm at a loss as to what I may have done. But who knows I may have did something and didn't realize it. I just figured my manager or other co worker would have brought it up to me if so.

I've asked my coworkers/floor here and there if everything has been okay with the well, doing things correctly, etc. If there has been any complaints or anything. So far they've told me I've been fine. So if the floor managers say I've been doing okay I suppose that's all that matters. It just knocked my self esteem down some.

You're right, hes an older man. One of the oldest, if not the oldest dealer there. I was locked in an hour and a half because it was so dead we only had 4 players for cash and the tournament had been cancelled (I work at a very small casino). The other dealer at the time wanted to leave. They asked if I didn't mind being locked in and I told them I'd be fine with it.

As a player, if I heard a dealer say this about a colleague in public at one of the rooms I frequent, I'd be appalled (and it would have nothing to do with the competence of the new dealer). Since the floor was already there and either didn't care or was planning to handle it private, I'd be very tempted to talk to the shift manager or room manager away from the table, especially if I knew them, and let them know how distasteful this is.

After six years I'm still terrible at being a Pacific Northwesterner, ha. I still need to learn not rocking the boat.

But seriously in a shoddy room I would probably think better of it since I wouldn't want to risk getting the new dealer in trouble.

If this happened to me, and this person was talking to me as you say in front of customers on the floor, we're all going to have a nice discussion with management.

I'm a little confused between 'check in desk' and 'other Dealer' and 'co-worker' ... but most of those details don't really matter.

I would definitely try to touch base with this person away from the table to see what they were getting at. The 'other Dealer' comment about "That's why I'm here." is also a bit off in my opinion, even though he came off clean to you away from the table it could've been seen as 'verification' of the co-worker comment to the players.

I assume you were being kicked loose for the day, but I may have stuck around and caught up with this person when they got pushed out. Even to the point where you 'observe' their methods at the table. I try to approach these spots with that person's ego in mind. If you word it so that they think they are entering a teaching moment and give them a hint of superiority, then they usually open up a bit more and you can decide how to go forward with them as a co-worker. GL

PS ... If during your observation period you get a look or 'what are you looking at' comment, then simply tell them you "are trying to learn from the best". Normally you'll find out that they have worse habits than you do simply from the longevity and carelessness from dealing a high volume.

A little drastic, but a perfect example is electrical workers who get injured on the job .. It's the newbies and the 'super' vets. The newbies go too fast and make mistakes and the vets think they know it all or that everything is 'automatic' and get careless.

"Thanks? And what's with the for the whole table to hear???

So I dealt an O8 game, followed by a PLO game, and now I tap into a 1/2 NL game. I say hello, swipe in, check the rack, good to go. Pitch the cards, deal a third card to the SB, quickly catch myself, I go to grab and replace the third card as the burn, but before I can do it SB who is peeking at his cards quickly washes all 3 cards together and throws them face up and yells misdeal. I give him a look like "wtf why did you do that", and he says "what, i didn't like my hand". Of course some guy across the table scoffs and shows his QQ. Good way to start the down.

I wouldn't worry about the "That's why I'm here" guy, he was just trying to get Old Grumpy Guy to stop talking. OGG was obviously out of line saying that as well as for reporting the well was off without taking a few seconds to check again before calling the floor over.

I have an OGG in my room too. I'll occasionally get grief or random weirdness from him and I've been dealing for 5 years. Use him as a cautionary tale - focus on always improving, giving others the benefit of the doubt, and dumping as much as you can into a retirement fund as early as possible.

Players can't rule a misdeal. SB's hand is dead. Play resumes. If the floor is feeling really generous, maybe he'll give the SB his $1 back.

Sounds like a dead hand to me.

I could go either way here, but lean towards a 'Player' exposed hand and exposed Burn Card. It's an obvious angle by the SB in this case and I might rule a dead hand as opposed to the misdeal. Robert's has an open door about a Player getting too many cards 'unless the top card can be dealt properly'. To me that opens up the door to a dead hand and not a misdeal.

Of course we want to have a consistent answer here, but I think we can teeter on this one, especially when the SB makes the angling statement. GL

Yeah I may have worded that funky I applogize I was tired lol. Was just trying to state the floor desk and everything was behind me so I couldnt see if there was commotion going on. I was facing the wall.

Also I'm not upset about the other guy because the way he said "that's why I'm here" sounded like he was just trying to calm the old man down.

Oh, we do: Every time a player cries "misdeal", six other players will groan, say they had AA this time (maybe THIS will be the time that joke will be funny!), and throw their cards in.

And: every time they cry "misdeal", it was not.

Every time.

Why is it when one player cries "misdeal" and throws their cards in, 75% of the rest of the players decide that player is the judge, jury, and executioner and also throw their cards in?

I don't understand what "'player' exposed hand" means when the cards have been mixed.

It really depends on how obvious the player was. If he clearly looked at two cards then looked at the 3rd received card then mixed them together then his hand and his small blind are dead. There's no plausible reason except a brain fart why a HE player would look at two cards, wait long enough to realize what he had, then look at a third in sequence.

If he looked at them, waited a second, and mixed them together, I'd consider that blatant cheating. His hand would be dead, of course; he'd get play his button (probably); and he'd find something else to do with the rest of his day.

If there was no time in between--in particular if he somehow picked up all three at once and commingled them absentmindedly, which I have seen--then it's a misdeal.

Regardless, he receives a warning for yelling misdeal. Second offense is time away. That's not counting the "mix the cards together" angle; after racking up for first offense, I'd call that 12 month ban for second; 86 for third.

Just curious, what if every single player throws her hand in? Do you push the blinds to the last one to toss them in? What if there's a tie?

I pretty much always hold onto my cards until I hear the dealer (or floor) declare a misdeal. I don't really love when poker rewards people just for knowing the rules but it's better than letting this angle stand.

IME most dealers/floor (maybe it's just a Seattle thing) would be cowed into accepting that this is a misdeal and would never dream of pressing the issue, as they should, to the point of playing the pot ultrashorthanded among those who retained their cards.

I'm now wondering about the spacial logic of having tables where the dealer is facing away from the desk. No chance for any eye contact unless the floor comes all the way to you? That sounds horri-bad.

If no action yet, give the pot to the big blind, as he was the only player not facing a bet; everyone else has folded.

I once took over a room that had every table face away from the desk. The people that opened the room thought is was supposed to be like that because the pit faces outward.

Then of course the big blind would toss the small blind his dollar back, say "we can chop", and a chopping discussion would ensue.

I wouldn't if I were the BB, even though I chop. But it wouldn't upset me if someone else did that.

Can you tell me where the TVs are in said room? That's about the only good reason I've heard for how tables are placed. Dealers don't need a TV .. and Seats 1 and 9 get gypped as well.

Pretty much I've seen all tables except 'wall' tables with the Delaer being able to see the check in desk. GL