The dealers run chips as part of the string in our room.

We already tip out x% to the cage voluntarily as well as the chip runners but now it is a mandatory tip out and we must keep all chips and money visible at all times or we could get fired for "stealing."

Wasn't fun going to work yesterday and finding out I was taking a significant pay cut.

Your comment is a bit vague, is the tip out for the floor people?

If so, is the new room in the same state as the old room?

If so, have you considered sharing a copy of the judgement from the lawsuit with HR at your new room?

The only lawsuit I have personal knowledge of has an issue with the ownership taking some of the tokes that were taken from dealers to be given to the floor staff.

A few posts above, the poster mentions a lawsuit filed over tipping out the floors that was successful and resulted in an award of past money being returned to the dealers. I know what you are speaking of here. Has to be a different case.

I am guessing that it was a similar thing where they did it improperly and the new casino feels they are within the law.

I believe if their was such a lawsuit it was based on state law. Likely California. So depending where this dealer is that lawsuit may not be at all meaningful.


(When I was in law school .... a perfectly aceptable to explain way a legal decision that was inconsistent with all other decisions was to point out it came from California).

It was in California. I do not know the outcome of the lawsuit. It was a class action suit, and the casino made a very good offer to any dealer that wanted to take them up on it. Every dealer I know that was in the class took the casino's settlement offer.

RR, your location is Biloxi now?

I thought I had mentioned I was changing jobs. Still live in New Orleans.

My casino is downgrading all floor to non-management so they will be able to share in a tip pool. Cali laws states management can not share in tip pools. The % will be distributed between floor, cage and chip runners.

TBH I was just wondering if this is industry standard as my house seems to claim it is and that we simply had it fat up until now.

Pretty non standard IMO but my experience is limited.

You may want to visit a labor lawyer. I am not familiar with california law, but I really doubt that simply reclassifying a position from management to non-management without a substantial change in the actual job function is sufficient to change the legality of this situation.

It is pretty standard.

As far as the reclassifying from management to non-management, I would say they were misclassified to start with. In some states, floor staff does have some managerial responsibilities, but they don't in California (at least the places I am familiar with). There are dealer coordinators that supervise the dealers, but the floor do not supervise the dealers. They seat players and resolve disputes. There will be a lead floor or shift manager that does have managerial responsibilities.

Are there no cali card room dealers in here? There a boat load of poker rooms in cali how can no one shed light on the practice in their room? PM if you dont want to makie public please.

I'll note that dealers are not allowed to mention where specifically they work in this forum, nor give information on what is going on in the room where they work. I'm confident that many dealers from CA read this thread and forum.

Quick semi-correction (no offense venice):

The guideline is here:

There is no rule against dealers telling the forum where they work. It's just not a great idea to do so for professional purposes.

Dealing our 2.50/5 game and the situation is a little tense. The pain in the ass players are doing there ass and the guys that never shut up are jabbering on like crazy. Its a pretty social game and everyone has money and everyone knows everyone. Three guys are carrying on about the previous hand. "But if" "then maybe", "but possibly". One of the quieter greek regs from nowhere pipes up with "Yeah, well if my Nonna (grandmother) had a propeller then she would be a dinghy." Whole table lost it for a solid 2 minutes. BRILLIANT!!!!

(Niners/Ravens on tv; I'm dealing, not watching)

SEAT 9: Oh, that's a TERRIBLE call! That's not pass interference! They both have the right to try to catch the football! Oh, look at the replay! Well, you can't really see it from there...this angle ought to show it....no, that didn't help. I'd like to see it from the end zone camera!

ME: Well if you're still not sure after six different looks at it, I can't blame the ref even if he did get it wrong. He doesn't get six looks at it--in slow motion, yet!

SEAT 9: Oh, it was a terrible call! Did you see it???

ME: No.

SEAT 9: Did anybody here see it?

SEAT 1: (who is built like a guy who has been playing football all his life) I didn't think it was pass interference--I thought it was holding on the defense. He grabbed his arm.

ME: (Thinking: "This guy doesn't know the rules. I'll try to help him understand why what he just said doesn't make any sense.") What's the difference between pass interference and defensive holding?

SEAT 1: One's a five yard penalty, the other is spot of the foul.

ME: No, I know that, I mean, why would you call one instead of the other? What's the criteria?

SEAT 1: Well, he held him! That's holding!

ME: No, sir, that's wrong. If he does it while the ball is in the air, it's PI. If the ball is not coming, then it's defensive holding.

SEAT 1: (stubbornly) Well, the ball wasn't coming!

ME: (points to Seat 9) This guy has been saying "they both have a right to go after the ball." Were they going after the ball?

SEAT 1: (refusing to concede anything) The ball wasn't in the air the whole time!

ME: (thinking: "I give up. You obviously know everything there is to know about football, there's no need for me to try to help you better understand anything. You're right, whatever you say! Both players were going after the ball long before it was in the air.")

Why can't people admit they don't know the first thing about football? I admit it! When I watch a game with my two brothers, we've got about 130 years combined experience of watching NFL games, and at least once a game there will be a call made that has us looking to each other and asking, "I didn't know that rule! Did you know that rule? I never heard of that before!" It happens in every single game. We readily admit we don't have a clue. When a guy goes to the ground to make a catch, and the nose of the ball is touching the grass as he pulls it in, we don't even TRY to figure out if that's a catch or not. We just wait for the ref to tell us. We're long past trying to get a handle on this league's ever-changing rules.

Think you know football? If you do, explain to me, please, what's a 4 route? A 9 route? A 3-technique tackle? Explain the Tampa Two defense? The Bears' famous 46 defense? If a WR and DB *both* catch the ball, who gets possession? What's an illegal formation? Did you know the "Lambeau Leap" is legal, but only if ONE player leaps (two or more is a penalty!)???

And most baffling of all: I understand that if you fumble and the ball goes out of bounds, you retain possession...unless the ball travels over the goal line and goes out of the end zone, that's a turnover??? WHY???? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY????? I never understood this.

These are some of the things I have picked up from watching football. Not really an expert. Like you said just about every game some rule comes up that I never knew existed.

This is obvious, up to the last eight words. Why can't we change the last eight words to, "...so they mark the ball at the spot of the fumble instead."??? Wouldn't that be better??? Here, take a look:

I saw an older poker player the other night, sitting in the one seat, take his ear phones out after not hearing the action. "Dealer, you need to announce the raise, I can't see to the other end of the table" and then put his ear phones back in.

Slow night, so I'm propping a small limit game (either $2-4 or $3-6, I forget). I'm in the 2 seat. A young pit dealer, not a bad player but he tends to get a little aggressive with not much in his hand, is in the 7, and his girlfriend is in the 8.

I've got 98s in the BB. A few limps, she raises, her first pre-flop raise of the evening. A million people call.

Flop comes 865r. We all check, she bets, most of us call. Welcome to low limit!

Turn is a 7, making 8657 no flush possible. We all check, and surprisingly, the boyfriend bets into her. She's stunned. She's looking at the board, and it's becoming clear that her big pair isn't worth a crap any more, and she's unsure what to do.

"This is what I've been trying to tell you," he says arrogantly, patronizingly. "This is the Power Of The Bet. See how it changes everything? See how by betting, I put YOU to the tough decision?" He's practically strutting sitting down, no mean feat.

She folds. I just call, vainly hoping some idiot behind might come along with us, but that doesn't happen. Two of us see the river, a T, so now it's 8657T.

Knowing he's aggro (and not knowing if he might have J9), I check. He confidently bets.

I call, and say, "Chop it up," and turn up my hand.

He's stunned. The smile falls right off his face. "You have the nine???", he blurts, as he mucks. "How could you not BET that???"

"That's the Power Of The Call," I told him. Everyone laughed.

Nittiest lady I've ever dealt to (and that's saying something!), last night:

"...and these players keep using the F-word, and the dealers don't do a damned thing about it! It just pisses me off!!!"

I'm never going to forgive myself for passing up the chance to ask her to watch her language.

This is hilarious. I just scrolled up the page and saw this:

I WROTE THAT POST. And as I look at it now, I can't tell you for the life of me what NYCN means.