Is that your final answer?

I never really considered LHE a fast-moving game, then again the only LHE I deal is 3/6 on swing/grave.

LHE moves super fast in my room. I prob get the most hands out in that game.

Limit holdem generally moves fast ... but in low limit games it is sometimes slowed by the fact that nobody is folding.....

The old man brings two tablets with him to the poker room.

He brings two tablets with him to the poker room so he cheat and be his own partner in an online bridge game.

You couldn't make these scumbags up.

Yeah, I imagine in a higher limit game where the players have some common sense it might move faster. The majority of downs of 3/6 I deal has 6+ people seeing every flop, and at least 1 clown on the table who likes to Hollywood on every single decision.

Online bridge cheater = Wow.

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Drunk guy is giving away $100's in the $2-100 SLHE game. He's betting anything, and getting called down light. The winners are not enjoying the winning, it's no fun betting lots of money on weak hands.

One guy was especially stressed as he dragged a huge pot. Drunk Guy didn't understand. "Are you mad at me?"

The entire table leaped to assure him that no one was mad at him. Then one guy cracked, "You can't be mad at him--that would be like being mad at Santa Claus!"

I was dealing a few nights ago and this situation came up, wondering if I am wrong or if the floor is wrong. Player A bets on the river, Player B calls. Player A tables his hand, Player B shakes his head, and flashes his cards to his neighbor before mucking. Player C (let's just call him A**hat), who folded preflop, immediately speaks up "What did he show!?!?" "Show one, show all!"

At this point I muck Player B's cards while ignoring A**hat, who then explodes on me "THAT'S FREE INFORMATION, WHY DIDN'T YOU TABLE THAT HAND!? blah blah blah" to which I calmly explain "Only Player A can request to see that hand because he was the only other player left at showdown (which is a house rule at my place)" and I also tried explaining why, because what if Player B misreads his hand and mucks a winning hand, and now someone without any stake in the pot can request that hand be tabled and possibly turned into a winning hand. A**hat demanded the floor be called over, and the floor (who is not the brightest bulb in the box) made it known to the table that I was wrong and that there is in fact a show one show all rule (no s*** sherlock). That left me fuming for the rest of the down and most of the night, but now I am over it and am questioning whether I was wrong or not?

If you have a room rule to the contrary, then that will take precedence.

But in general, if he shows someone, then another player can ask you to SOSA, and you "should."

In general, dealers will sometimes tap the cards on the muck to indicate that they are not live when they are shown for this reason, though there's no clear reason for why this would be the case, it's just something that someone started doing once and now other people emulate it.

As a floor, I would not rule the hand live if it is shown due to a SOSA request and would otherwise be a winner. I would rule similarly for a IWTSTH request (assuming it wasn't the winner who asked). This is an exception to the general rule that no matter how the hand gets tabled, if it is tabled then it is live.

Informally and confidentially, most SOSA requests are just as dumb as IWTSTH requests, and I wish the other players would just let it go rather than cause a ruckus about them. While you might technically be in error by mucking instead of showing them, unless you made it a habit, or this is some big deal in your local room, and I got a lot of complaints about it, I would probably privately laugh with you about it in the breakroom rather than discipline you for it. In public though, you were in the wrong, most likely.

I don't doubt that the player was in fact an a**hat, but he was also correct. You should turn the hand up. If it turns out that hand was actually the winner, call the floor immediately and let them decide whether it was live. According to Roberts Rules it won't be, but your local rules or that floor's interpretation of them may differ.

Player B is also an a**hat who knows he's supposed to show everyone. Personally this is more offensive to me than what C did.

I'm way more tilted by you calling others a**hat and dim bulb, than I am about you conflating SOSA and IWTSTH.

I'm a little confused by "house rule at 'my' place" and then the floor doesn't back you up. So where were you dealing?

Of course rooms will have their own versions (and enforcement) of these "once a month rules" as I call them. We had one room ban them for a short time since a reg pissed a bunch of other regs off and they were 'all' IWTSTH if he made it to showdown IP and tried to muck 'every' time.

Unfortunately when you're in the box you have to filter out player traits and personalities when facilitating the game. It's an almost impossible task but based on your label of Player C there may have been some predetermined 'leaning' going on. It really sucks when 'they' get a bouquet of warnings but as soon as you slip up one time they may try to bring the hammer down. GL

So why do you say ”no **** Sherlock" when the floor explains the show one show all rule which you apparently don't know.

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He might be one of those dealers that I never had time for that thinks the floor should back up the dealer no matter what.

You seem to think that everyone was stupid and an *******, yet you display little knowledge of some of the basic rules of poker and kind of come off like an ******* yourself ITT. But maybe you are trolling, in which case, well played.

For the first time in my life, I bowed to the weather and called into work, rather than risking life and limb to arrive at an empty cardroom.

It's very unsettling to do something new and different. I'm not handling it well.

Either that, or I've got the Winter Blues.

Yeah I still can't figure out why people live in those climates. I'll take the heat instead. At least I can still go about my life.

Imo if a room has a Sosa rule (not all do, though again imo they should), then not onlyshould you flip over the cards but you should do so without a player needing to ask. Unless it is stated by rule that a player must ask, then anytime a dealer sees a violation he should enforce it he rules.

Showing another player your cards isn't a violation, though. If the hand is still live and this happens then I'm generally going to make a request that the player not show his cards to anyone (even if the guy he's showing the cards to isn't in the hand). If the hand is over and a player wants to show his cards to his neighbor, then I'm not going to say or do anything 99% of the time as long as he isn't excessively slowing the game down.

TLDR: If I'm dealing at your table and you want me to enforce the SOSA rule you have to ask me to see the cards.

Agree with bolt. If a player shows cards to somebody else at the table, the dealer should only open it upon request.

If the room has a Sosa rule, he most certainly has broken it. If you are going to enforce a rule when a player asks, then the dealer should enforce the rule the same way when he sees it being broken. Now if the room rule states that a player must invoke (I have seen rooms whose rule is a player must call a string bet or raise) then you follow that rule. But if not the enforcement should be the same whether a player invokes or the dealer does. Dealer is there to assist running the game.

In the long run this only leads to more Sosa violations with the resulting increase by players to invoke Sosa. Net result is a slower game due to all this crap plus the arguments that result and the increase in floor calls. Much better to nip it in the bud by auto invoking regularly when noticed by anyone.

Here is the thing..... yu say it only leads to more sosa violations but that assumes that not showing everybody is a violation of a rule. But if you understand it not as a requirment that it be shown to everybody but as a requirement that it be shown to everybody on request then you understand this isn't a rule violation (to the extent we are talking about showing players not currently in a hand or after all action is over). Thus the idea that we are causing more violations of the rule is not true to us under our interpretation of the rule .....

My experience is SOSA never leads to game delaying arguments. evry now and then it leads to some chirping. But if I have to be policing everytime a card gets showed and then making sure it gets showed even though nobody cared enough to ask for it .... that will be delaying the game.

If I see someone showing cards to their neighbor I'll hold them aside for a few seconds while I do the rest of my cleanup and will only show them if someone asks. I do this because it minimizes my chances of getting yelled at and keeps the game moving.

Guy makes a six-card club flush. His opponent grumbles, "He stayed in with only one club on the flop. "

Um...