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01-08-2018 , 06:04 AM
So I am pretty positive that we may finally be getting rid of our biggest problem player in my room.

A little background on this guy he is easily the worst person I have ever met.....and that is saying somthing. Not one dealer or player has anything nice to say about the guy. He is rude to everyone and mutters every hand and has meltdowns on a constant basis. He tries to bully players, dealers and floor staff into getting his way and throws temper tantrums when things dont go his way. He creates so much tension at the table that there are at least half a dozen players that wont play with this guy or get up when he comes to the table and for a small room like mine that is a decent chunk of our regular players. He is banned from the other three rooms in our city plus both cardrooms in the next largest city 90 minutes away, our room is the last room he can play in our state and he has had a couple temp bans from our room in the past.

Well we had several meetings with two of our shift managers over the last few months on improvements that could be made and basically every single dealer mentioned that this guy needs to be gone and it will help our room getting rid of this cancer. Well both have been poking around and talking to different players about this player and it sounds like there will be a decision this week on if he will be permantly banned.

Fingers crossed that this guy will be finally gone......
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01-08-2018 , 03:42 PM
Sounds like it's only a matter of time now the guy is so firmly on their radar.
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01-08-2018 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bolt2112
Have the dealer mix (wash) the two cards and make one of them the burn and the other the first card for the flop. The next two cards in the deck are the 2nd and 3rd card for the flop.
Is there a standard procedure for this, or is this just what you think is most fair? I agree it's a fair go at it and it's what I was thinking to myself.
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01-08-2018 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord_Crispen
Is there a standard procedure for this, or is this just what you think is most fair? I agree it's a fair go at it and it's what I was thinking to myself.
This works in this situation because so few cards were exposed. Typically I see it happen with a larger number of cards and I would have them reshuffled into the stub.
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01-08-2018 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord_Crispen
Is there a standard procedure for this, or is this just what you think is most fair? I agree it's a fair go at it and it's what I was thinking to myself.
No "standard procedure", because it's not a common thing. You can't prescribe a remedy for every conceivable thing beforehand. Best you can do is modify existing prescriptions to fit the current problem.
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01-08-2018 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord_Crispen
Is there a standard procedure for this, or is this just what you think is most fair? I agree it's a fair go at it and it's what I was thinking to myself.
Ideally you're going to protect the sanctity of the board as much as you possibly can. This is the same logic by which the natural river is revealed prior to reshuffling in a premature turn. It's also the same logic used when the dealer flops 4 cards instead of 3 (shuffle the 4 cards, 3 of them are the flop and the 4th is the next burn card) which preserves (at least) 2/3 of the original flop plus the natural turn and river.

The method I proposed preserves either 67% or 100% of the original flop plus the original turn and river. I've never seen this specific scenario in a rule book but it seems fairly standard to me.
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01-08-2018 , 05:37 PM
I don't share your optimism, Gil, but GL.
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01-08-2018 , 06:07 PM
Thanks guys. Nice to see people whose opinions I respect agreeing with my initial ideas even if they're pretty obvious.
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01-09-2018 , 12:50 AM
I love rookie live players especially when they are reviewing a poker room in an attempt to make the room look bad - here is a review on Poker Atlas of my room from an obvs disgruntled player -

"During a tournament I had a player muck top pair against me in an all in hand when I had trips. She verbally stated fold but the dealer gave her her cards back and she hit a one outer on me for a higher full house. When you say fold the hand is mucked and I should've had the pot. The room does not follow verbal is binding and I don't recommend anyone playing there."
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01-09-2018 , 01:56 AM
Yeah I forced someone to turn over their hand once and he had a straight flush he didn't see. I don't remember what event but it was at least $1k buyin. He argued with the floor for a good 5 minutes about it. He may still be telling the tale of the staff colluding to take the pot from him.
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01-09-2018 , 03:18 AM
When this sort of thing happens and someone is trying to muck during a tournament all-in, I take a page out of the old NFL ref playbook and announce, "By rule, all hands must be face up" as I'm physically turning up the cards.

I've found that when you say "By rule" in front of any explanation, it gives the subtext of "I know what the **** I'm talking about, so you might as well save your wrong argument."
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01-09-2018 , 04:45 AM
I like it, QS!

***

"I'm, like, really smart...and a stable genius..."

Tonight, I had at least 2-3 players at each table who left me with the impression that they would totally, eagerly, describe themselves this way.
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01-09-2018 , 04:48 AM
Our room used to have blackjack dealers lining up to come over to poker. Now it's the other way around.
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01-09-2018 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
I like it, QS!
I do to. I'm stealing it to use when I make decisions.
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01-09-2018 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DetroitJunkie
I love rookie live players especially when they are reviewing a poker room in an attempt to make the room look bad - here is a review on Poker Atlas of my room from an obvs disgruntled player -

"During a tournament I had a player muck top pair against me in an all in hand when I had trips. She verbally stated fold but the dealer gave her her cards back and she hit a one outer on me for a higher full house. When you say fold the hand is mucked and I should've had the pot. The room does not follow verbal is binding and I don't recommend anyone playing there."
You are actually lucky here .. To get such a detailed report is actually to your advantage here to any player who knows the rules. If the post had been just the last line then it's open to speculation. I would track them down and pat them on the back with a free popcorn and water. GL (Glass half full guy here ... )
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01-10-2018 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
You are actually lucky here .. To get such a detailed report is actually to your advantage here to any player who knows the rules. If the post had been just the last line then it's open to speculation. I would track them down and pat them on the back with a free popcorn and water. GL (Glass half full guy here ... )
I agree, and thats one reason why I 'love' them, they end up putting their foot in their mouth and making the house look good!
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01-10-2018 , 02:00 PM
Is it unprofessional to wash the cards after pushing three pots in a row to the only stiff at an otherwise juicy tip table?
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01-10-2018 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by football0020
Is it unprofessional to wash the cards after pushing three pots in a row to the only stiff at an otherwise juicy tip table?
If you're doing it in hopes he notices and will know you are rooting against you it is unprofessional.

If you're doing it in hopes it will actually change who wins the next hand it's just showing your lack of good sense.
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01-10-2018 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by football0020
Is it unprofessional to wash the cards after pushing three pots in a row to the only stiff at an otherwise juicy tip table?
Yes, and unwise because it wastes time and a player who is looking for an excuse to stop tipping you may notice.
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01-10-2018 , 04:11 PM
Tonight, a well-known pro was sitting at my table. He says to me at the beginning of the hand, "If I win this hand, I'll give you half the pot."

Action proceeds, he's raising like a maniac having fun, before I deal the river he says "Put a 5 there and half is yours."

What happens? Bink.... 5, which gave him a straight. I push him the pot.

He then proceeds to chop the pot in half, asks me for toke box, and drops in half the pot. My toke box was full at that point, after being basically empty. It was a nice sized pot.

Never had anything like that happen before. It made my night for sure.

A couple of the players accused me of cheating after the hand. I'm like lol no way jose.
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01-10-2018 , 04:12 PM
Lol at a dealer washing the cards of his own volition...it’s not so much that it’s unprofessional as it is totally stupid.
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01-10-2018 , 05:22 PM
Wish he posted that last week. I got stuck dealing a heads-up $2-4 LHE game (hard to believe, I know). One kid was a stone-cold stiff; the other was nursing a $12 stack and couldn't afford to pull a tip out of the $4 pots they were playing.

I only wish I had thought of washing the deck after each hand.
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01-10-2018 , 05:24 PM
When a player who promises me half the pot is still in when I drop the stub, I start stacking the pot.
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01-10-2018 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Wish he posted that last week. I got stuck dealing a heads-up $2-4 LHE game (hard to believe, I know). One kid was a stone-cold stiff; the other was nursing a $12 stack and couldn't afford to pull a tip out of the $4 pots they were playing.

I only wish I had thought of washing the deck after each hand.
We usually have 2 or 4 $2-$4 LHE games running. I usually get tipped out pretty decently because I know all the regs.
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01-10-2018 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
When a player who promises me half the pot is still in when I drop the stub, I start stacking the pot.
He wanted me to do it, but I told him I couldn't because it would slow the game down and the other players would get mad.

There were a lot of chips.
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