[QUOTE=answer20;53171944]PS ... I would treat a HH tip differently than a tournament tip. Both of the 'non' winners specifically mentioned the HH when they handed out the green chip.
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I understand why someone might be inclined to think this way about a high hand tip. But it opens up a can of worms..... As proven in this case ..... high hand tips given by people who didn't get the high hand jackpot.

But what about the tip from the player who says "This is because you are the best dealer I ever had" why should that go in the pool if High hand tips don;t go in the pool. How about when i tell a joke at the table and a player tosses me a tip because that was a great joke?

I really feel that any tip related to what happens when dealing the tournament must go in the pool or just open up a mess of excuses for dealers to try to keep their own and take a share of the pool.

Where does the high hand money come from? The jackpot drop in the live games?

Agreed. There is one dealer in particular at my local joint who flips at least one card during his pitch I'd say >90% of his downs. He always tries to go some damn fast that it tilts me. And he always reminds people the action is on them if he deems that they are taking too long to act. Once I was heads up in a big pot on the river in 2/5, I was first to act and thinking about whether if I shoved as a bluff if it would make sense or not, and this dealer asks me after just 15 seconds or so "you know it's on you?" No **** it's on me, I have known that I was out of position against my opponent since preflop, but thanks for the reminder.

Generally if a tournament player is eligible for a high hand it means the house took a percentage of the buy in and put it in the promo pool.

Dealing our Sunday night tournament when three players see a flop and the first person in seat two shoves all in, the second person a younger kid in seat four says innocently "Oh man what do you have" Seat one who is not in the hand and who is one of our rules nits who likes challenging anything anyone says and usually skews any rule to try and serve his personal purpose chimes in "Oh you cant say that" The kid gives him a funny look but goes back to focusing on the hand. Un-satisified with nobody paying attention to what he was saying turns to me and tells me to tell seat four not to discuss the hand with another player in the pot. I told him what he said is fine, it is a general statement that has no affect on the third player. After the hand finishes seat one again turns to seat four and lays into the young kid that he shouldnt say anything and that it was out of line. Luckily the kid in seat four is a good kid and just shrugged it off. I stepped in because I was tired of seeing seat four getting berated and once again clarified that as long as he didnt say anything that gave away his hand or could influence the third player like going through possible hands. Now had he stated "well you cant have top pair because you raised" or you cant be drawing" would be out of line but a general vauge statement like "what can you have" is not out of line. He goes back to saying it can influence action and blah blah blah until he realizes he isnt getting anywhere and finally shuts up.


Towards the end of the down four or five players check down a river with a board of J-Q-K-10-x and seat one (once again not in the hand) says to the table "alright who has an ace?" I turn to him and tell him not that is something that influences action and can not be said which of course sets him off.

Seat One: "How does saying who has an ace influence action?"
Gil: Someone who has an ace may not realize the board gives them a straight and they may muck thinking they dont have a winner
Seat One:"Well everyone knows an ace is a straight there"
Gil: They may have misread the board"
Seat One:"It still doesnt give away action"
Gil: Yes it does....how would you feel if you were about to win a hand and another player spoke up and told another player to table a hand to win the pot from you"
Seat One: "That would be wrong"
Gil: There you go.....
Seat One: But how come what I said is wrong but what seat four did is alright?
Gil: Because he didnt give away infromation about the hand unlike you did

luckily push comes through at this time so I head to the next table but for the next 15 minutes I can hear from the next table Seat one continuing on and getting mad that I singled him out not seeing the irony in the whole situation....

I can’t wait to get out of this business.

The way you described your EDR is the same way I would describe mine. And you're in Vegas too... hmmm...

Ive worked in at least 3 places with pretty similar setups so it's not uncommon here but maybe....

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I just got my first kid out of the nest, two more to go. As soon as I'm finished supporting them, I will LEAP at the opportunity to flee this asylum for a normal job that pays half as well!

Gil might enjoy this old story, he may have missed it since he's new around here, I posted it so long ago. It also involved an old grump in Seat One in a daily donkfest who, in one down, did exactly what he complained about others doing:

Two very young guys, friends, draw seats 2+3 at the final table. They're both new to casino poker, and are having a lot of fun, and are very chatty. Unfortunately, they don't even realize how much profanity they are using--it's just the way they're accustomed to speaking to each other, I guess. None of it was angry or aimed anywhere, it was just how they spoke, you know what I mean.

The Sheriff in Seat One is furious. I'm trying to get these guys to realize what they're doing and govern it, but Sheriff wants them to get a penalty away from the table.

Then something unfortunate happens. One kid bets the flop, his buddy calls, all others fold. One kid offers to check it down, the other instantly agrees, and they table their hands, all in less than a second, before any of us can stop them, or even indicate this is a no-no.

Sheriff goes absolutely out of his mind. I'm sure he wouldn't have been this upset if he saw these kids tossing babies out the window, but this is the worst thing that he's ever seen. No need for me to call the floor now, he's already on his way to see why this guy is blasting off.

When told what happened, the floor explained that he needed to assess a penalty to both kids. Back then, penalties were measured in minutes, not hands, and these kids each got a 10-minute misconduct. The kids took it well, apologized for not knowing the rules, and headed out for a smoke break.

Now the Sheriff has an idea. He suggests to the entire table that we all turbo-muck every hand. This will maximize the price paid by the kids' penalty.

The other players seemed unsure of how to proceed, but they all mucked the first hand...but it only took another hand or two before somebody looked at a good hand and thought, "Screw this, I can't muck THIS hand," and we were back to playing poker again.

The Sheriff felt betrayed by his co-conspirators, and started muttering profanities.

To sum up: the man who would abide no profanity nor collusion, was the first to collude and curse, all in a matter of minutes.

Give us a happy ending here... he got a penalty for one of those infractions?

His displeasure with the betrayal he felt from his co-conspirators (who never agreed to join him in the first place) was punishment enough. I took more joy from that, than from any official sanction.

To be clear: EVERYTHING made this guy unhappy. But watching his "let's collude!" plan crumble like Ozymandius was almost...operatic?

I know that if anyone, dealer or player, sees an error occur in the game, it is their obligation to speak up and correct it. My question is if I am tapping in and standing behind the game, and watch a dealer f*** up a side pot amount, is it my obligation to speak up or is it not technically my responsibility yet? This dealer has probably been dealing close to as long as I've been alive, he is bitter at the world, hates his job, and I rarely talk to him outside of occasional small talk. I felt if I spoke up he would've gotten some kind of attitude with me like "kid who are you to tell me I'm wrong" so I just stayed quiet and let it go, and to my surprise the whole table didn't speak up either despite the side pot being shorted by $42.

I have to share this one. I'm currently dealing a rather large Poker series as I use vacation time from my full-time job to do so.

The player in the one seat in our $2,700 main event is a player who recently won the World Series of Poker main event. I'll be coy with the name, but needless to say everyone at the table knew who he was.

I also dealt to him at an earlier tournament. ( interesting Lee enough, he was seated at a table with a World Series of Poker Main Event runner-up).

I asked him how he did in that one, and he said he took second place.

"Good job," I replied. "This poker thing might work out for you."

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If you are 100% sure it is wrong. But that doesn't mean you need to embarrass the dealer, bend down and whisper it to him. I rarely pay attention to that sort of thing when pushing.

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I'm not saying boo.

The times I've had an incoming dealer lean in and check my numbers I've never found it helpful. They're just an added distraction and aren't likely to get enough information to accurately intervene anyway.

As such, I try to not pay too much attention to what's going on if I'm the pusher. If I'm not watching, I won't see the error happen so it will be like all the other countless hands that happened before I got there. If it's a total cluster maybe I'll wave a floor over. It's their job to clean up messes on occasion.

This.

Don't say anything. As a casino employee you are obligated to speak up if you are sure you saw a mistake. You cannot be sure enough you saw a mistake as there are other things that you should be assessing (the rack if it is one that stays on the table), player's stacks to see if anything looks out of the ordinary. Nobody at the tale seeing it tends to support the hypothesis that you saw it incorrectly, but nothing good comes from watching the action closely enough to be sure that you saw a mistake.

Tough spot but I would tend to let it ride I think. As the incoming Dealer you could rile up the table by sticking your nose into the hand and then have to live with it for the whole down. If by some chance you had been standing there the whole hand, then perhaps you have an obligation. I would tend to believe that you are 'rail' at that point in time in most players eyes, which rarely ends well. GL

I pretty much keep my mouth shut.

For this guy I definitely don't say anything.

It's not about that guy, it's about the players at the table.

Our room has a rule of "one dealer to a table" and we are not to insert ourselves into an outgoing hand while waiting to tap in. Just once a dealer waiting violated that and told me my sidepot amount was wrong (I was pretty new at the time and he was well intentioned) but he was actually wrong as he didn't see a chip, so it looked awkward at the table with him telling me I'm wrong and then me having to tell him he's wrong all while the players are waiting for the river card and the exciting conclusion of the hand. I don't really follow the action while I'm waiting to push in, and rather scan the table for players I recognize to say hi to or are known trouble makers, and to see if anyone has any unusually large denomination chips for the game being played.

On a couple of occasions I have had dealers pull me aside later to correct me on a minor rule or offer a suggestion on how to handle some weird thing and I have appreciated those even when I decided not to take the suggestion.

Do it to me in front of players and I will NOT be happy.

Guess I'm the only one that wants to be corrected if I make an easily fixable mistake