But then I wouldn't have had the opportunity to tell the story in this thread.

And you wouldn't have had the opportunity to judge me.

BTW, this is why I believe the player in seat 4 should move now if he would like to. Brad should not have to wait to play because seat 4 wants some more hands. He can move to seat 10 right now and renter when he is in the same position as he left.

In my room the rule is you must move immediately unless you have posted a blind then you can play out your button. But I think it's a bad rule because most of the time Brad does not get to the table before the button passes ... so all you accomplish is a fight with a player. I see no reason that if Brad isn't at the table you can't let the player wait. But as soon as Brad shows up the player must move immediately.

I don't disagree with either RR or psandman on how to handle a player moving seats. In Brad's case, seat 10 was a dead small blind. The following hand was going to be a dead button. The guy in seat 4 moved to seat 10 as soon as it became a live seat.

However, a player moving seats and another player coming to the table happens all the time and it's rarely interesting. "But, I'm Brad!" was the only thing that made this stand out to me.

"But I'm Brad" makes sense assuming Brad was called for the seat. He gets to the table and is told the open seat is taken and what he is telling you is I'm the guy they called.

He should move even though it is not a live seat (and buy the button should be an option so he can make it a live seat), Brad has been called and wants to sit down. Until a player has actually sat down and started playing, it is too easy for them to decide not to play.

We understand that.

If he had said, "But they just called me for that seat," there's no story here.

But he said, "But I'm Brad!", which you interpret as the exact same thing--but could also be interpreted, for the purposes of humor, as, "this is Brad's world, and we're just living in it."

Imagine the following exchange:

"Whopper with cheese, please."
"I'm sorry, we're all out of Whoppers."
"(gasp) But I'm Susan!"

That's hilarious, and the perfect reply would be, "I'm sorry, Susan, but we're all out of Whoppers." Even if Susan had called ahead to arrange her Whopper pickup. There's something about inserting your name, instead of referring to yourself as the next guy on the list, or the person who called ahead, that announces a sense of entitlement. Without that specific ingredient, there's no joke here.

Speaking of sense of entitlement and changing seats, I always enjoy chatting with players who lock up a seat change, then don't want to go.

ME: If you want that seat, you need to take it now.

HIM: I'll go after the button passes.

ME: No sir. The next player has arrived, and we're not going to make him stand there and watch you play six more hands.

HIM: (looks at me like I just gunned down his family.)

I love it. You don't talk funny!

Yesterday in a 1/2 game a new player gets chips from the cashier, puts them down in the 2 seat and pulls the chair back to sit down. Young guy in seat 3 says "He hasn't played yet, I can take that seat right? I get the first option so I can sit there." I confirm this and tell the new player sorry, you'll be in seat 3. New player says F this, goes back to the cashier to get his money back and leaves.

Seat 3 wasn't involved in a hand and started to move immediately, so it didn't even affect the guy's ability to play the next hand.

I'd walk out, too, rather than risk money to find out what ELSE they can take from me,that I thought was mine.

That's a terrible rule. If I sit down, ,wait a few hands for the blind, another player has the power to order me out of the chair? You know what that leads to? Abuse of power! I just now had to deal with a player who insisted I square the table, even though he had a FOOT of space on either side. But he saw the guy in the center sitting slightly out of place as a chance to bark an order, "by the powers vested in him by the Rules Of This Room!"...and such power is irresistible to awful people.

It says that the new player wouldn't have even missed a hand. All he had done was set his chips down and pulled the seat out to sit down. The 3 seat - not involved in the current hand - wanted to move to the 2 seat which would have taken all of 5 seconds. If the new player got that bent out of shape about that then I would probably be glad he left. He was obviously in a pissy mood already and I can always do without an uptight asshat at my table...

It's a bull**** powerplay. The player could have asked for that seat at anytime but waits until the new player has set his chips down and is about to sit.

Or maybe he saw who it was and had history with that player and wanted to be OOP on him.

Either way, it's a room dependent rule. Allow or disallow as the situation warrants. Agitate to change the rule if you don't like it.

Ugh, just noticed I was in breakroom. I probably shouldn't have commented, sorry.

I agree 100%. That's why I'm glad that the rule in my room is that once the chips are set down or the player has sat in the seat then it's his seat regardless of whether he's played a hand or not. It eliminates a decent amount of those kinds of shenanigans.

My preferred rule on this is that player must speak up before new player puts chips down on the table; otherwise, once new player puts chips down, seat is his. (Agree with post above.)

Whether its a room rule or not I can still think the player who pulss this **** is an ass ..... that's all I'm saying.

Certainly opens up a door, but our general rule is that if a new player sets his rack/chips down on the table then it's now his seat. It's up to the dealer and player to somehow communicate before the player shows up. If there is a hand going on it gets sketchy, but it encourages players to commit to the seat change quicker.

The only 'huge' exception to this is when a floor/dealer fails to communicate/offer a table change 'in time'.

Under all cases .. if a player plays a hand, it's their seat.

Don't think I'd ever make a player wait more than 2 hands ... and I'd certainly try to make the moving player post due to creating the situation. GL

This is why dealers have "reserved" buttons, so when a player requests to take the seat the dealer can toss one there. If a new player sets chips down or sits down before anyone asks to move, the seat is theirs now.

So I have kind of come to the conclusion its time for me to move on from Las Vegas. And when I initially started dealing I always expecteed at some time to move to a floor position and towards management, but the money in dealing was always to good to give up. Even when i worked the floor, I also maintained another dealing position. I think its time to find a full time floor position even if there is a slight decrease in income.

When i first moved out here I gambled and I played a lot of poker, and that was how I made most of my friends. But I quit gambling years ago and now I only rarely play poker. Most of my friends here have moved on. So there is really nothing keeping me here except that it is my place of employment.

I have over 12 years dealing experience, and a small amount of floor experience.

I have started applying for full time floor positions around the country, but in the past when i was applying for jobs I always knew somebody and had some sort of in.

So for those of you in the industry if you are aware of someplace looking to hire a full time floor person please let me know either here or by PM. So far my best lead is a place where i would be working with a very good friend .... but the pay is horrible (the pay rate would not be so bad if floors got tips but I understand at this casino they can not).

I am open too moving just about anywhere though the closer to the Northeast the better as I wish to be able to visit my mother more often. And California is out of the question ..... there are too many damn Californians living there.

I have worked for many gaming companies and as far as i know none should have me listed as "Do not rehire" but quite honestly I do not think I could get through a Caesar's panel interview.

MGM National Harbor just opened up, so you probably missed that opportunity.

Send me a PM, I have some info for you.

You can also find me on twitter or email me.

OnAFoldDraw (at) gmail

GL


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GL psandy.

We ran a splash pot promo on NYE (no need to derail, we already agree unanimously that this is the worst promo). I only bring it up because many of the $2-4 LHE players who only come in for Aces Cracked, came in for this. The curious part was they all wanted to play 7-stud. I guess you're really maximizing your EV playing 8-max instead of 9-max.

Perhaps they think they put on less money in Antes and brings than the $3 per orbit in blinds.

I can't put that past them...even though our $2-4 stud game has a ridiculous $.50 ante.