You could just as easily give them all a certificate. But remember this sort of thing only excites the guy on vacation. If your room caters to regulars they couldn't care less.

That was my first day as a poker dealer. It may have even been my first down.

I've told the story here before, but it seems a few of you think this is news, so here it is:

Guy makes a Royal in a micro-limit 7-stud game. Several players immediately demanded, "What does he get?"

It's my first day, I have no idea if the room has any promos. I call the floor. Here comes the trophy RR described.

Player is pleased, but wants to know when he'll get his money.

"What money?"

"The thousand dollars."

He wasn't kidding. Video poker was huge in LV back then, and "everybody knows you get $1000 for a Royal!"

This guy had a room for the weekend. He spent every waking moment of it in the poker room, and told every single player who sat at his table the story of how the room screwed him out of $1000.

I disagree. I see regs turning down chops because the deal did not include them getting their picture taken and posted on the results page of a website that almost no one looks at.

"I'll take the win and the fame. You take the money."

So this happened:

Pre exposed turn, and low and behold here comes another player who wants the river dealt face down before the PE turn goes back into the stub. I cant understand why this rule keeps popping up in our rooms from the players, I've heard its used in a few random Vegas rooms, but I cant imagine its building any momentum..

This time, however, it comes from a guy I know, who manages another poker room in the area (not a floor there), and I have worked with him before when we were both running casino parties and charity tournaments. He is technically TDA certified and does boast about rulings every now and then, and has usually been right.

The dealer does it the right way and player moans on and on, calls me over and I tell him thats not the rule. He speaks of integrity of the hand and all and on and on, I confirm the dealers fix and say "I dont want to get into this with you" and walk away.

A few minutes later he calls me back (he'd been drinking btw) and when I get to the table he tosses his phone out towards me. I say "what is this?", he responds "you know what it is". I pick up his phone and the TDA app is open. So now I figured I had to do it, so I found the rule and read it out loud, looked at the player, he took back his phone and didnt say a word. I left.

Should I have read the rule out loud? I basically just showed him up big-time and felt bad but figured at this point I didnt have a choice.

If you were trying to show him up the thing to do would have been to find the rule, hand him the phone and demand that he read it out loud...

I didn't remember that it was your first day.

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And give him an empty rack to fill with his chips.

I don't know of any room in vegas that handles a burn & turn with a face down river first. Never ever heard that one. But then once I read "charity tournaments" it pretty much tells me all I need to know.

Yeah I've never really understood this whole "charity poker" thing, but I'm assuming they make up their own rules when they like.

It goes back a ways with me. But I've seen dealers, floor people, and even new poker room managers that came from the massive influx of "charity" rooms in Ohio and other such areas that had absolutely no clue about the real business of poker, with all sorts of oddball rules. Often times, because they heard of a rule somewhere, but never heard the entire rule, or got the context of it, then totally effed that rule completely up. IWTSTH is a perfect example of a rule that became completely trashed due to massive lack of understanding.

The boom was great for poker. But it also meant that a sh** ton of totally unknowing people and even corporations (read Harrah's) got heavily involved without proper knowledge and often dictated incorrectly.

Edit: The reality of the boom and the MAJOR mistake within the poker industry, was/is the lack of forward thinking people not going to CALIFORNIA poker rooms to put the key people in place to open new poker rooms. Many to this day have no idea that California has had a thriving poker business for over 100 years, legally, and without 1 single slot machine. Including many thriving and highly profitable and busy rooms before the Asian games were allowed in California. The biggest issue with Las Vegas in that regard, was the casino's wouldn't pay for that knowledge and experience.

Agree, the rooms dont make enough, in retrospect, for them to want to pay for it

I've never heard of this procedure and am trying to piece it together. Am I reading it right that it's basically the standard practice of putting out the "natural" river as the turn card, shuffling the exposed card into the stub, then putting out a new river? Only it's done all at once instead of putting out the turn, then waiting for action to complete on that card, then shuffling?

It sounds like they're trying to save the floor from having to stand there and wait for the players to act on the flop and turn. I don't know if this is better, but it might not be terrible.

I can't imagine why players would care.

No what they want to do is deal what would have been the river card as the river so they take it from the deck face down now, shuffle in the premature card deal a turn have a round of betting then flip up the river card.

I have heard plenty of people argue this is better [it isn't] but I have never seen a room actually do it.

Oh, I see. I don't think I like that either. It leaves open the risk of someone knowing what the river will be in advance because a card is marked or flashed during the process. The card order is only slightly less altered now, so players are still going to bitch about how the hand was changed.

And everyone knows that the premature card is out of play on the river.

My Halloween costume tonight: hoodie, earbuds, sunglasses, ridiculous winter scarf, oversized flashy wristwatch, sweat pants, slippers.

Any other suggestions? Anybody got a watch I can borrow?

Backpack? Tablet or large phone.

Don't forget to ask for a count when the villain has three times your chipstack.

Or do a Captain Hindsight commentary on everything everyone does.

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The hoodie could have a wsop logo on it. Or better still, Full Tilt or Poker Stars. And a $1 Chip from Bellagio as a card protector. Also, Beats by Dre > ear buds.

Thought of Beats, but they would interfere with dealing. Draped ear buds over my ears. Idon't own Beats, anyway.

Wore an empty backpack. Couldn't cover my face, so hood remained furled,and sunglasses were flipped up.

Didn't have WSOP hoodie, but have a cap from Card Player Cruises. Can't wear it in the box, so it hung from the hoodie's draw string.

I had to run chips for my first down. One player asked, puzzled, "Do you work here?" He didn't ask when I walked off with his $200; he waited for me to come back. lol him.

Dealt a one-ball after running chips. ...then immediately ditched this hot, cumbersome outfit,and got back into uniform. Even walking around in slippers was less comfortable than I imagined it would be.

Now think about that statement for a minute DJ. They make enough in the higher cost of living state of California to pay for it. Even when rake was equal, the occasional Cal to Nev transplant floor, would come back often in 90 days or less. They all said the same thing, the money was trash.

But all along the Cal poker rooms have done well.

Sounds to me like the "corp casino" can't get over the IDEA of paying in poker.

California props were paid upwards of $30 per hour, (1/2 as rake and untaxed) FIFTEEN YEARS ago! Whilst a prop in LV was paid MINIMUM WAGE. At times, in a Cali card room, you might have three props in the game to get it started with 1-2 players, or hold it together.

Nowadays in LV they don't even want to pay dealers to play on the clock, (whom they could pick up to start dealing if needed), or hold games together.

The business is so effed up now. Accountants thinking saving $ is better than MAKING money. And inexperienced PRM's believing them.

You know that the regulations to run a casino in NV are pretty expensive to comply with. Probably a lot more so than in CA. This creates a lot more overhead.

Extremely weak argument. As a % of space, income, the poker room is not the primary generator of the NV Casino. But the poker room in a California CARD ROOM (non-indian gaming casino), is a primary generator of the business. Comparing the regulations to run a casino vs a card room are apples & oranges.

rake is higher in califonia full rake on flop automatically.

Yes, should have clarified, I was talking about Vegas casinos (and similar) that have poker rooms where poker takes in about 1-5% of the total revenue of the casino. Stand alone poker rooms, IMO, do well, if not very well, all across the country. I feel I would prefer to (continue to) work at a stand alone room as I feel the owners would have more interest in making sure the poker ran sound (though there are a few casino rooms I would love to work for because I know they are solid)