Argued? I'm amazed they didn't try to turn up the card FOR you!

Just a thought I'm wondering about. Giiven the description of how the turned over card hit the pushed out stacks of seat 1, and the other player was in seat 7, do you think there is a chance that seat 7 saw an exposed ace, and not the other card, and assumed seat 1 had showed both cards and he was just asking what he showed rather than invoking IWTSTH? You say he asked innocently. And most players consider it an ettiquette breach to ask. You said yourself you didnt think he would have asked if one card wasnt exposed. So I wonder if he thought both were exposed and he couldnt see them clearly. Or even that he saw the one card exposed, but couldnt read it clearly, so was really just asking what the exposed card was.

Given what's at stake, do you think it's worth clarifying the situation by saying something like "the ace of diamonds was exposed" and then waiting to see if the guy still says IWTSTH?

Not saying you did anything wrong. The guy did ask. It just struck me the way your description was written that maybe the guy wasnt intentionally invoking IWTSTH. And if a dealer did suspect that, would a clarification statement be appropriate or inappropriate before turning over the second card?

Thanks

Now that you mention it, I always clarify in this spot.

If a player mucks and another player invokes the IWTSTH rule, is the dealer required to take the cards and tap them in the muck as to "kill" their hand before exposing them?

Only if they believe in magic =P



Some rooms may have a rule like this to "kill the hand". Adults generally can say "This hand is dead" and the same thing happens, but some people like steadfast black and white rules.

I've seen where the dealer will kill all other losing hands, push the pot to the winner, kill the winning hand, clean up...then flip up the requested hand.

Tournament: Player A bets. Player B has chips in hand and says "Raise". Before any forward motion of chips happens, Player A says "Call" and throws out a matching amount of chips to what B is holding in his hand.


It's obvious to me that Player B can do whatever he wants with the knowledge that A wants to call (being held to at least a minimum raise), but before I say what I think should happen, can some of you say what you think is appropriate for the situation?

B can (must) raise to whatever he would like. The chips A threw in stay in, if it's more to call, A can call or fold. Warning for A unless it's not his first time, then penalty.

How is calling for a clock handled in cash games typically? Played the other night, 2-5NL (in Washington, so actually 5-500 game), and one player really started slowing down the game. Finally a hand comes up where he is thinking on every decision. Someone called for the clock and pretty much everyone was in agreement. We were told that only players in the hand can call for the clock. Is that typical?

I like this. It seems like a huge angle to allow A to take back the chips he put in.

IME, most rooms allow anybody to call a clock, but some rooms only allow those in the hand too. If it's becoming habitual, then ask the dealer to call the floor and explain your concerns. Was this guy doing it out of spite or was he just a slow player?

Atypical, and foolish. Often players in the hand refrain from calling the clock for fear of giving away something. Calling the clock is to move the game along, it's not supposed to be a tactic. Anyone dealt in should be able to call for the clock, and this is the rule in most cardrooms.

I've played plenty of live poker. However I saw something come up for the first time.

Apparently where I play players are allowed to see all hands if they request it to the dealer. I find this pretty annoying because sometimes I will play unusual hands. Other day I folded caused I missed and guy not even hand says "Dealer I wanna see all hands" and my hand was flipped over.

Some places in CA someone can say "dealer I want to see all the hands", and the dealer will turn up all cards that made it to showdown.

They should NEVER be showing a folded hand though, and I would protest that to no end.

Now if you really meant that the river was checked down, and you tried to muck, but they turned your hand up, that is not a fold, and someone can ask to see your hand.

I meant it was checked down. I still think it's bull**** that they are allowed to do that.

And how is that not a fold? I lost the hand so I toss my hand to the muck. They shouldn't be allowed to force me to turn over my hand. At least that is my opinion. I guess that I am aware of this rule I'll be more careful on rivers with hands that are out of line.

Reminder to read post #1 before posting in this thread, thanks.

1) Do a search for IWTSTH.
2) A "fold" is only possible when facing a bet. Mucking your hand at showdown isn't a fold.

my room finally does not (blindly) apply iwtsth. unless collusion/cheating is suspected you will not be shown mucked hands. imo, its just a spite request 99% of the time

100% of the time actually my favorite is the old man who got 50$ squeezed in an all in on the flop between two other players so he looks at the dealer and says I wanna see both hands at showdown. I usually "forgot"

Any penalties for turbo mucking your hand into the muck if they pull the IWTSTH? Because I feel this would be quite amusing.

Possibly a warning from the dealer for the first time. As with most ******* behaviours at the table that aren't egregious, if you keep it up you can probably expect to take a walk for the night (and if you still keep it up/and have a history of doing minor stuff: longer). This will vary from casino to casino, though. Some will basically let you get away with murder and never say boo and some will give you a warning for even understandable basic cussing.

petty rant incoming.

I am so sick of players assuming I am the cocktail waitress. You guys probably don't notice this sort of thing, but this happens all the time. Player asks any of the male poker room staff if they could please call the cocktail waitress. Sometimes polite, sometimes demanding, but always, "can you call the cocktail waitress."

Players just look at me when I'm in a chip run/brush spot and bark their drink order. I'm running chips, they stop me and say "can i get a coffee, black, two sugars?"

Last night, one of the chip runners greeted a new player (who was slightly drunk), walked him to the table, got him chips, AND reprinted his card for him. While this is happening, I walk by and this guest barks at me, "Can I get a shot of patron and a coors light?". He wasn't THAT drunk to mistake my dealer uniform for the little dresses the waitresses wear, I know it.

seriously. WTF. I wish I could wear a button that says "Not your cocktail waitress" on it.

Just one of those little things that makes me want to bang my head on the wall of the EDR.

I have had players try to order drinks from me. I'm sure it happens to women more often, but it is not only women who have players do this.

Blah blah blah whatever. Can you get me a rum and coke.

I'm sure, but it's especially obvious when I'm the only female poker employee in the room on swing shift. (seriously, our room is a sausage fest. only 3 female dealers, total, and one day shift floor. )

Yesterday I learned that if your casino is a bunch of crooks if it doesn't give a table share of the jackpot to the guy who walked up to the table, sat down, and didn't play a hand before the jackpot hit.