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05-27-2011 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Ship It Or Bust
Ooooh! I have another peeve!

This happens most often in tournaments, but at least once or twice a day in the cash game, too. And in the cash game is when it gets ugly. Player A goes all-in, pushing his mountain of chips in front of him. Player B is thinking about what to do, and all of a sudden, someone else at the table (usually someone who isn't even in the hand) will say out loud that "It looks like Player A has about $2,000."

Now, Player B didn't ask me how much the all-in bet was. If he/she had asked, then I would have made a count for them. But when a player goes all-in, the dealer shouldn't count down the chips or say anything about how much the bet is unless asked by someone else in the hand.
I've actually had this very situation cause a discrepancy in our room around two weeks ago.

1-3 game. Player A says 'all-in'. He's an older gentleman. Not discriminating, but dexterity was gone on his behalf long ago. Took about 6 shoves to push 8 uneven, dirty stacks past the betting line. I repeat, "all in".

A guy not in the hand says, 'around 600', and a snap-call ensues, while I'm giving a shush. Snap-caller loses, I count it down to ~850. And the loser pushes 600 more, claiming I didn't tell him the proper amount.

I explain to him I said 'all-in', and he called that amount. He doesn't budge, I call floor, he throws more green in and waves it off.

You're right, I've noticed that to be a huge problem. I think some people think they're speeding the game up, wand others I just chalk up to oneupsmanship.
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05-27-2011 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by NYCNative

Anyone else say or do anything in the box that might help create more action but doesn't actually encourage it?
Preflop, I don't announce, "Raise." Instead, I announce, "First raise, make it $X." Hey, I'm an optimist.

If they're all limping in, it sounds like this: "Two to play....only two....just two...merely two...a meager two..." Before you know it, you've got 8-way action!

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Originally Posted by MrFnClean
I've actually had this very situation cause a discrepancy in our room around two weeks ago.

1-3 game. Player A says 'all-in'. He's an older gentleman. Not discriminating, but dexterity was gone on his behalf long ago. Took about 6 shoves to push 8 uneven, dirty stacks past the betting line. I repeat, "all in".

A guy not in the hand says, 'around 600', and a snap-call ensues, while I'm giving a shush. Snap-caller loses, I count it down to ~850. And the loser pushes 600 more, claiming I didn't tell him the proper amount.

I explain to him I said 'all-in', and he called that amount. He doesn't budge, I call floor, he throws more green in and waves it off.

You're right, I've noticed that to be a huge problem. I think some people think they're speeding the game up, wand others I just chalk up to oneupsmanship.
I think it's because they think it's the dealer's job to announce an amount, and if the dealer won't do it, they'll do it themselves.

When somebody shoves without speaking, and I can't see if they have any chips left, I don't ask them if they're all in. I don't think it's my job to ask every player who bets, "Got any chips left?", so I don't. Unfortunately, many players think it IS my job to announce all-ins, so I'll often have people not in the hand ask, "Is he all in?" Obviously, the only reason this person is asking is because they think SOMEBODY needs to announce SOMETHING, and even if they're not involved, a rules nit lacks the ability to pass up a chance to "correct" something.
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05-27-2011 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MrFnClean
Since it's on button-issues, I swear about 4-5 times a day I catch a player either using the button as a card protector or playing with it in his hands.

Of course, this lead to an interlude that caught my semantics radar off-guard.

End of the hand(decent action between 7 &9), button is in seat 2. I go to slide it to seat 3 without looking, and push air. I pause and look befuddled.

Me: Where's the button?
Nitty Seat 10: Jesus, Dealer, that's part of your job.
Me: No, no. It's about to be seat 3. Where the actual, physical button?

It turns out, the guy in seat 2 was flipping it in the air, while on a phone call away from the table. I yelled loudly in his direction to give me the button, to which he replied, 'Just deal me out'.

I grumbled and threw the kill button(upside down) and began my deal. Another player got it back. And of course, every time a hand ended, seat 10 said, "Button's in seat x"

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Haha great post. Even as a player, it irritates the crap out of me when other players inadvertently hide the button because they think that, when it's on them, they have the right to play with it or put it wherever they want.
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05-27-2011 , 10:15 AM
LOL-worthy span of posts!

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Originally Posted by FeltLegend
"5000 is the total bet sir." "So, how much more do I owe?" <<< Jesus , 5000 total
OMFG yes! "Just make your bet look like his. Match the chip colors and quantities."

A surprising number of people are afraid to bring back bets they've put to the middle. In a casino I can sort of understand a new-ish player not wanting to touch what he see's as the "house's" chips after he makes a bet, but this is incredibly common at home games, with people who have been playing quite a long time!

This is more a home game thing, but in a cash game, the guy who stops action in order to break a chip for blinds or calling an odd-sized bet... then the bet is raised to an even number... and he uses the rest of his change to bring the bet up to that number (ie, breaks a $5 to use in his call $8, then uses the rest of his whites to call $35 in the very same betting round... LET'S STOP AND THINK WHY YOU ALWAYS NEED CHANGE!)

And how about the guy who absolutely NEEDS change for his T100 so he can post his T75 ante.

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Originally Posted by Ship It Or Bust
Player B is thinking about what to do, and all of a sudden, someone else at the table (usually someone who isn't even in the hand) will say out loud that "It looks like Player A has about $2,000."
This bugs me, too, but on the teevee, dealers ALWAYS announce the bet or the "raise more" number, without being prompted. The pros haven't stopped this practice, so maybe it's okay. I was raised not to do this, so it makes me twitchy.

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Originally Posted by MrFnClean
uy in seat 2 was flipping it in the air, while on a phone call away from the table. I yelled loudly in his direction to give me the button, to which he replied, 'Just deal me out'.

...

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Ha! And double ha!

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Originally Posted by NYCNative
I always try and pull in the calls when I can. I even do this when the Big Blind has the option to raise. I find the game moves a lot faster that way and eveyone knows exactly how much they owe.

Also, there's psychology involved: Tell someone he owes $15 total and maybe that sounds like a lot to him; tell him he owes $11 more on top of his $4 straddle, and it sounds less and maybe he is a little more likely to make the call. It also reminds them very subtly that they already have money in the pot.

(etc...)
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Preflop, I don't announce, "Raise." Instead, I announce, "First raise, make it $X." Hey, I'm an optimist.

If they're all limping in, it sounds like this: "Two to play....only two....just two...merely two...a meager two..." Before you know it, you've got 8-way action!
Yeah, see, these are the kinds of things I was told not to do, for exactly these reasons. We're not supposed to encourage action, I didn't think. But I appear to be in the minority.

I was shocked when I got to Vegas and saw that it's completely standard to bring in the call amount when the last person to act raises. Don't get me wrong... I LOVE watching pots grow. I had just thought this was verboten.
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05-27-2011 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
Yeah, see, these are the kinds of things I was told not to do, for exactly these reasons. We're not supposed to encourage action, I didn't think. But I appear to be in the minority.
I was never told I should tell a player who straddled that the bet is $15 instead of saying "$11 to you sir." I have trouble believing anyone was told this. Also, I am expediting the game since in many cases a player will ask, when faced with a raise and some chips already committed "How much more," so I tell the player this before he or she needs to ask.

The fact is that saying "$15 to you" or "$11 more to you" is saying the same thing in different ways.

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I was shocked when I got to Vegas and saw that it's completely standard to bring in the call amount when the last person to act raises. Don't get me wrong... I LOVE watching pots grow. I had just thought this was verboten.
I almost always bring in the call. Makes the game go quicker and the fact is that all money that enters the pot and is called is in the pot.
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05-27-2011 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap

Yeah, see, these are the kinds of things I was told not to do, for exactly these reasons. We're not supposed to encourage action, I didn't think. But I appear to be in the minority.
To be clear, I only do it in that specific situation. Pre-flop limpers never seem to mind.

If, after several limpers, someone min-raises (or it's limit), I just keep going in the same monotone, "Two, only two, just two, merely two, a meager two, four now! Only four, just four, merely four, a meager four..."
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05-27-2011 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
I think it's because they think it's the dealer's job to announce an amount, and if the dealer won't do it, they'll do it themselves.

When somebody shoves without speaking, and I can't see if they have any chips left, I don't ask them if they're all in. I don't think it's my job to ask every player who bets, "Got any chips left?", so I don't. Unfortunately, many players think it IS my job to announce all-ins, so I'll often have people not in the hand ask, "Is he all in?" Obviously, the only reason this person is asking is because they think SOMEBODY needs to announce SOMETHING, and even if they're not involved, a rules nit lacks the ability to pass up a chance to "correct" something.
Agreed, my man. It seems quite often that when someone bets a high-stack, and I move the action, they'll give me an irritated/expectant look of 'Well, how much is it?'

I agree, philosophically with how you do all-ins. Our house's policy is to ask if they are blocking their cards. I see benefits in both
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05-27-2011 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFnClean
A guy not in the hand says, 'around 600', and a snap-call ensues, while I'm giving a shush.

And don't you just love it when you shush a player who's speaking out of turn or out of line, and they give you a hateful look for doing so?

Sometimes I just wanna say "Who's in charge here? If it's not me, then how about you and I switch seats, you can shuffle up, and I'll play for awhile?"
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05-27-2011 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MrFnClean
It turns out, the guy in seat 2 was flipping it in the air, while on a phone call away from the table. I yelled loudly in his direction to give me the button, to which he replied, 'Just deal me out'.
This is the only real purpose of a BBJ.

"Sorry gentlemen, if the button isn't on the table, the next hand isn't eligible for the BBJ."

Guaranteed that at least 3 players will start screaming at the guy and one will grab it out of his hand and put it on the table.
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05-28-2011 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
Congrats, Quad! But yeah, don't believe it until after you're doing it for about five years... and even then don't relax.
No congrats for me. Half a dozen of us just got a dose of gaming industry logic. Sigh.

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Originally Posted by venice10
This is the only real purpose of a BBJ.

"Sorry gentlemen, if the button isn't on the table, the next hand isn't eligible for the BBJ."

Guaranteed that at least 3 players will start screaming at the guy and one will grab it out of his hand and put it on the table.
This is true. "Could void a bad beat" is the easiest way to get players to do what you want them to do. Faster and quicker than any other reason.
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05-28-2011 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Quadstriker
No congrats for me. Half a dozen of us just got a dose of gaming industry logic. Sigh.
What happened?

Today, there was a young lady at a 1/2 table who was obviously playing live for the first time. She limped in with about 5 players. I pul in the bets and put out the flop and the SB bets $10. A couple of callers and it's her turn, she puts in $8. I explain it was a $10 bet and she said "i already put in $2." It's pure logic, $2 + $8 = $10. Obviously she is a "math" player and not a "feelings" player.

I put out the flop and the SB raised to

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05-28-2011 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Dealer-Guy
What happened?
Official memo put out to employees that a specific number of part time dealers would be bumped up to full time.

Turns out they were just kidding.
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05-28-2011 , 02:58 AM
^^^I love this bizness.
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05-28-2011 , 02:59 AM
Yeah it's a case of another day, another facepalm. What can ya do? The way they've tried to brush it under the rug with silence though is... disappointing to say the least.

I'm hammering the EO this week. Just not in the mood, ya know?
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05-28-2011 , 12:39 PM
My hat is off to all the dealers that act as professional as possible considering some of the zany characters that you have to pitch to. For those that have been in the business for some time I have a question for you. Assuming that the standard of living was not an issue nor other personal conditions ( family ties etc.) what would be your dream location to deal at ? LV, LA, AC, an Indian Reservation or ??
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05-28-2011 , 01:43 PM
I don't understand the question. How can we compare one part of the country with another, without considering "the standard of living"? Are you asking where the highest-paid dealers are?
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05-28-2011 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Are you asking where the highest-paid dealers are?
Or are you asking where we would like to live?
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05-28-2011 , 03:04 PM
Let me put it another way.
If you could only deal the " pros" on one of the TV shows, or deal the masses at " The Commerce " or deal at a small mom and pop shop i.e. " The Village Club " what would be the most enjoyable place to deal at in your opinion ? It doesn't have to be about the money.
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05-28-2011 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RoyHobbs
My hat is off to all the dealers that act as professional as possible considering some of the zany characters that you have to pitch to. For those that have been in the business for some time I have a question for you. Assuming that the standard of living was not an issue nor other personal conditions ( family ties etc.) what would be your dream location to deal at ? LV, LA, AC, an Indian Reservation or ??
Great poker room, great bosses, great co workers, great players (the vast majority anyway).

This IS my dream job.

As proof, the room manager does not anticipate having to hire any dealers for the next 3 to 4 years.
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05-28-2011 , 03:29 PM
Okay, here's my dream: As a native New Yorker, I would dream of being the first dealer in the first legal card room in Manhattan and making enough money that I could afford to live there with the standard of living that I have now.

It's not likely to ever come true for a variety of reasons but I love and miss New York City. I content myself with visits there and I am glad that I am close enough that I can do so relatively painlessly but it would sure be nice to live there again...
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05-28-2011 , 08:58 PM
My first casino job wasn't in poker, but the small North Las Vegas casino had a two-table poker room that spread $1-4 spread limit stud in the daytime, and $1-4 spread limit HE at night into the morning. Rarely were both tables in use at the same time. The poker manager worked nights, with one dealer, and a floorman and one dealer worked days. When the solo dealer needed a break, the floor would spell him. At any time, any employee who wasn't in the box was probably propping the game. The same faces were playing every day, every night, everyone knew each other's names. Super laid-back atmosphere, never a heated dispute about anything.

If we're not factoring in a toke box full of quarters, then that sounds like a pretty awesome gig to me.
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05-28-2011 , 10:28 PM
youtalkfunny

Would that happen to have been Jerry's Nugget located in NLV ?
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05-29-2011 , 02:28 AM
Past Jerry's Nugget...













.....past the Silver Nugget....









....lies The Poker Palace. Or as we used to affectionately refer to it, "The Brown Nugget".

Nah, just kidding. We really called it "Mickey's Mirage". I spent a year there, it was a fantastic experience. I went from learning how to write tickets, to supervisor, to Race/Sports manager, in > a year.
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05-29-2011 , 02:45 AM
I knew Mickey when I dealt at Bellagio. Nice guy always had a Poker Palace Jacket on.
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05-29-2011 , 03:50 AM
lol quarters.
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