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07-31-2014 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by iversonian
didn't it used to be that once you announced raise in NL, you could continue to move chips into the pot until your hands came to a rest? not sure exactly when or why the rule changed.


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Originally Posted by thesteve
Happily we have a betting line here so if you cross it without announcing the bet it stays. I'd probably go nuts with all the angle shooting that takes place at rooms with no betting lines.
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
Yes.

Because people can't handle it.



Funny, I feel exactly the opposite. I'm glad I don't have to worry about all the angle shooting that takes place at rooms with strict betting lines.
I could go either way, but overall a strict betting line is probably really bad for poker.

As a player and a dealer, I would love to see rules that punish people for all the stupid **** that they do, but it would likely piss off a lot of players and cause them to stop playing. I used to work in a room that planned to start enforcing it, but they changed their mind right before the planned start date.

The "come to rest" rule has been pretty outdated for a while.
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07-31-2014 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
when I worked in that position I would not call anybody to get permission .... but I always knew that I would have to answer to the manager later if the player was a regular. If I wasn't removing someone just because they were to intoxicated to gamble, I would generally tell them they were barred until they spoke to manager.
Pretty much this for me, except I have to call the casino shift manager and let them know that I booted a player from the room. I will only 86 someone from poker and they can go play other games. If the reason is enough to 86 them from the entire property I have to get someone else to handle it.

We actually are not allowed to boot someone for being too intoxicated. That requires me to call a shift manager and security. If you're just being a DB then I send you out and let the room manager decide when you get to return.
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08-01-2014 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
I could go either way, but overall a strict betting line is probably really bad for poker.

As a player and a dealer, I would love to see rules that punish people for all the stupid **** that they do, but it would likely piss off a lot of players and cause them to stop playing.
I've recently started to believe that NOTHING will piss off a poker player enough to cause them to stop playing. This is based on the intolerable behavior of the people they choose to play with. They know they're going to sit for hours with obnoxious jerks, and they want to play poker so badly that they're willing to put up with it. They'll bitch about the service, about how the staff is too slow filling up the empty seats, about the cruelty of the game itself--yet they never consider pursuing a different pastime.

Perhaps you mean they would stop playing in a certain room, and go play elsewhere. I've been dealing in "the only game in town" for a few years now, so maybe that's why my thoughts on this have evolved this way.

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Originally Posted by JDiamond364
Curious if anyone here works in a room where the Floor is required to get permission to send someone home? In my room, no matter the reason, I must get clearance to give someone the boot. I know I've played in rooms where the floor can make this decision on his own.

Just wondering what the norm is on this issue?
Until I read the replies, I thought you were talking about sending home unneeded dealers.
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08-01-2014 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Until I read the replies, I thought you were talking about sending home unneeded dealers.
I thought that's what the original question was about too.
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08-01-2014 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny

Until I read the replies, I thought you were talking about sending home unneeded dealers.

That was my initial read also. But the reference to giving people "the boot" led me to think the otherway.
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08-01-2014 , 06:23 PM
We share dealers with the pit, so we do have to get permission before sending home EOs.
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08-01-2014 , 06:52 PM
Lol, yeah no not dealers. I can't send them home. They have a DC for that. I was taking about unruly customers. I had a situation that night where a player definitely should have been sent home but management didn't see it my way.
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08-02-2014 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
1/2 game. $15 bet on the river. Folds to the button who counts out a raise to $115 (fwiw, this was behind our betting line, which isn't enforced anyway)

He has the $115 in four $25 stacks, with the extra $15 on top. He has his hands spread out as if he's about to push the $115 in. He then stops and looks up at me.

"RAISE!"

Ok.... He then grabs two of the $25 stacks and pushes them out. Followed by the other two $25 stacks. Followed by the $15

Face palm. "FLOOR!"


LOL funny. If he had said, "raise......$115" and then pushed out, 25, 25, 25, 25, 15 and go back and forth pushing chips... it would have been fine....

lol why he would waste his breath saying raise and then not say an amount, weird.
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08-02-2014 , 05:20 PM
You know it's impossible to say a number that complicated without every single person at a 1/2 table to figure out exactly what your 2 cards are.
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08-02-2014 , 07:35 PM
He probably figured it was obvious he was raising what he had cut out and put on display. "This is my raise." And then he tried to put it in the betting field.

This is the problem with FL rules being applied to NL, and common sense going out the window. We're so afraid of someone getting a soul read and adjusting the bet, that instead we end up punishing people for effectively nothing. This guy is not a threat. He should be able to bet the full amount. This is not opening the door to anything nefarious.
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08-04-2014 , 12:19 AM
Tourney, three players see the flop, they check it down. I couldn't tell if they were playing poker, or having a contest to see who could make the most motion-less pinky check.
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08-04-2014 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JDiamond364
Curious if anyone here works in a room where the Floor is required to get permission to send someone home? In my room, no matter the reason, I must get clearance to give someone the boot. I know I've played in rooms where the floor can make this decision on his own.

Just wondering what the norm is on this issue?
In our room you do not need to get approval first. We just notify security that a player needs to leave or escort the player to security and they take care of the rest.
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08-04-2014 , 01:21 PM
Our room had an opening for a floor and I wanted to go back to flooring(went from floor to dealing 8 months ago), so I put my hat in the ring. Instead of respectfully telling me they chose someone else for the position I found out when I came in and saw a new floor on the schedule was coming in that day. Cowardly and unprofessional IMO. That was 4 days ago.

Ironically the floor this morning thought it was his day off so I had to floor for an hour with no access to keys or Bravo. Did signups manually on a spread sheet, found extra cards in the managers office, and managed to get off the morning tournament without a hitch. The bastards can't keep me from flooring!
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08-06-2014 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Tourney, three players see the flop, they check it down. I couldn't tell if they were playing poker, or having a contest to see who could make the most motion-less pinky check.
Give me nine poker players and I'll give you thirty different ways to check.

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Originally Posted by Wizard-50
Instead of respectfully telling me they chose someone else for the position I found out when I came in and saw a new floor on the schedule was coming in that day. Cowardly and unprofessional IMO. That was 4 days ago.
Ugh, sucks. Sorry.
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08-06-2014 , 09:58 AM
So we all know you can't cash out of a game and then re-enter fifteen minutes later as a new player. But what if you bust out?

Let's say you have two tables running, one 9-handed and one 5-handed. Player busts out and doesn't ask to hold his seat. Fifteen minutes later he returns and wants to play.

Is he a new player? Is he forced to go back to his original table? That table's been running fine 8-handed, so it's not like we're simply moving a player to the shorter table without a replacement. But we also wouldn't let an active player move to the shorter table, so how is this different? And if this guy had cashed out instead of busting out, we'd make him take the same seat with the same stack. Is this any different?

How would your room handle it?
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08-06-2014 , 10:19 AM
As long as he was confirmed busted, I let him come back as soon as a seat is available.

I would follow your rooms table change rules as to where to put him. Since he hasn't been out of the game for an hour (or whatever your rule is), he's still an "active" player. If you wouldn't have allowed him to table change prior to busting (when the table had 9), then he should go back and be added to the table change list.

On a side note, I use the one hour rule when a player leaves a game with chips, with very few exceptions. Not even if he comes back with the same chips. I find it helps keep (bigger) games running longer shorthanded. If you allow the player to quit and come back if the game suddenly gets good, there's no incentive to keep playing. It's also not fair to the players that paid rake to keep the game running when it was a bad game.
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08-06-2014 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BoDiddleyMacau
As long as he was confirmed busted, I let him come back as soon as a seat is available.

I would follow your rooms table change rules as to where to put him. Since he hasn't been out of the game for an hour (or whatever your rule is), he's still an "active" player. If you wouldn't have allowed him to table change prior to busting (when the table had 9), then he should go back and be added to the table change list.

On a side note, I use the one hour rule when a player leaves a game with chips, with very few exceptions. Not even if he comes back with the same chips. I find it helps keep (bigger) games running longer shorthanded. If you allow the player to quit and come back if the game suddenly gets good, there's no incentive to keep playing. It's also not fair to the players that paid rake to keep the game running when it was a bad game.

Are you saying that you don't let the player come back to the same game with the same chip stack for an hour even if there is an empty seat and no list?
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08-06-2014 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
Are you saying that you don't let the player come back to the same game with the same chip stack for an hour even if there is an empty seat and no list?
Yes. It's something I had to do to curb the bumhunting culture.
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08-06-2014 , 01:49 PM
Hey if you can get away with it and not much outcry I think it's a great idea.
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08-06-2014 , 02:57 PM
Overheard between 2 players while I was in the box.


"20 years ago I got barred from Uberswitz Casino"

"Oh yeah? You know Bobby and Jane?"

"Know them? I killed their son."



Awkward





Pause


"I was the loanshark that gave him all that money that he used to buy all those ****ing drugs he OD'ed on."



We sure to get to associate with all sorts of great people in this industry.
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08-06-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BoDiddleyMacau
Yes. It's something I had to do to curb the bumhunting culture.
Maybe I'm not understanding ....

Its 4 AM I'm sitting in a 6 handed game. One of the players announces he has to leave because he has a flight to catch in the morning. He leaves us 5 handed and some of the other players are getting antsy about the shortness of the game. 15 minutes later he comes back and says "Changed my mind I'll play right through the night and sleep on the plane."

And you come over and tell him he can't play because he has to be away for an hour?

And this is to protect the game from "bumhunters"?

I'm just not getting this at all .....
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08-06-2014 , 04:20 PM
If he's gone for less than an hour he should buy back in for what he had before...
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08-06-2014 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
If he's gone for less than an hour he should buy back in for what he had before...
Our room is 45min, but yeah, this.
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08-06-2014 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
If he's gone for less than an hour he should buy back in for what he had before...
Yes (or more if it doesn't exceed a buyin cap)... that's not the issue. Bo is saying he isn't even allowed to play with the same stack
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08-06-2014 , 06:58 PM
Where I play, the player must buy in for what he left with if it less than 2 hours. We still have people who will double up and leave. I swear they set an alarm and are back in exactly 2 hours.
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