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Old 05-09-2011, 02:08 AM   #626
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Re: The Breakroom: low-content gaming employee chatter thread

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Question for the poker dealers itt:

How strict do you have to be on the "kicking people out for swearing" rule?
Room and table dependent. Especially the latter for me. If I am dealing 5-10 NLHE among a bunch of salty regs, I don't say anything. At a lower game, especially one where a woman is there, I will respond to an F-bomb with "woah, sir, there's a lady present." That usually stops the problem and will often get the woman at the table to like me a little bit, even if they say they don't mind.

As for drunks...

It's hard to kick a drunk player out because nobody at the table wants him to leave and I have to delay a game (which nobody likes) just to get a floor person to address it and then have to potentially upset the drunk when I talk about him to the floor person while he is there watching... It's never pleasant.

A month or so ago some guy was completely plastered, unable to do much of anything except spew chips. The table had some other guys who had too much but they were just a little loud, not calling off their chips with Queen high and struggling to get more money out of their wallet after that.

I called the floor and someone actually got mad at me. "The other guys here are drunk too," he complained. I told him that there was a huge difference to me but the floor would decide anyway and he was free to make his case.

Another player said to me "No, you're doing the right thing," but he was solidly in the minority.

As a player, I would consider it immoral to take money from someone in hat state but my moral code is not the same as everyone elses...
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Old 05-09-2011, 02:26 AM   #627
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How strict do you have to be on the "kicking people out for swearing" rule?
Had a guy drop a few f-bombs, I would say "watch the language please" each time.

Finally I called the floor and he got mad and spewed f-bombs in every sentence until he was out of the building.

"I didn't f ing do anything."
"What the f you talking about?"
"I'm not f ing swearing."
"Are you f ing kidding me?"
"What's your f ing problem?"
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Old 05-09-2011, 09:32 AM   #628
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drwonoski --- do you really not count the rake towards the kill pot at your place? I never heard of such a thing.
no we don't. In fact every where i've been the rake doesn't count to trigger a kill. It counts for overall pot size to determine rake haha but not towards a kill. not in o8 or e. Anyone else chime in here?
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:05 AM   #629
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no we don't. In fact every where i've been the rake doesn't count to trigger a kill. It counts for overall pot size to determine rake haha but not towards a kill. not in o8 or e. Anyone else chime in here?
CAZ is post rake.
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Old 05-09-2011, 10:14 AM   #630
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no we don't. In fact every where i've been the rake doesn't count to trigger a kill. It counts for overall pot size to determine rake haha but not towards a kill. not in o8 or e. Anyone else chime in here?
"Rake" is calculated as 10% up to $5. It's a simple straight forward rule.

In the room I work in, every dime that htis the pot is counted towards the pot total.

We drop $1 pre deal, that is counted.

We rake up to $5 and that is counted.

If a jackpot hits, there has to be $30 in the pot, everything counts, the drop, the rake and side pots are added in.

Since often, the table can set the kill amount, if they want it to be $50 plus rake, they can agree to do it that way.
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Old 05-09-2011, 12:34 PM   #631
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yea here the table doesn't set the kill amount or the trigger. We do max $4 rake and in the 5-10lo8 game its 2 @flop, 1@30 and 1@80. so in a hand with a total pot of 100 only 96 will count to trigger the kill
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Old 05-09-2011, 01:13 PM   #632
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Room and table dependent. Especially the latter for me. If I am dealing 5-10 NLHE among a bunch of salty regs, I don't say anything. At a lower game, especially one where a woman is there, I will respond to an F-bomb with "woah, sir, there's a lady present." That usually stops the problem and will often get the woman at the table to like me a little bit, even if they say they don't mind.

As for drunks...

It's hard to kick a drunk player out because nobody at the table wants him to leave and I have to delay a game (which nobody likes) just to get a floor person to address it and then have to potentially upset the drunk when I talk about him to the floor person while he is there watching... It's never pleasant.

A month or so ago some guy was completely plastered, unable to do much of anything except spew chips. The table had some other guys who had too much but they were just a little loud, not calling off their chips with Queen high and struggling to get more money out of their wallet after that.

I called the floor and someone actually got mad at me. "The other guys here are drunk too," he complained. I told him that there was a huge difference to me but the floor would decide anyway and he was free to make his case.

Another player said to me "No, you're doing the right thing," but he was solidly in the minority.

As a player, I would consider it immoral to take money from someone in hat state but my moral code is not the same as everyone elses...
One thing you can do to make it a bit easier on the dealers is when you have a really drunk guy at the table who isn;t beinga problem ..... just let your floor person (go tell him when you are pushing) this way your floor person can watch out for the player .... maybe get the cocktails to slow down a bit and keep the player in happy drunk place longer before they get to drunk who has to go home stage.
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no we don't. In fact every where i've been the rake doesn't count to trigger a kill. It counts for overall pot size to determine rake haha but not towards a kill. not in o8 or e. Anyone else chime in here?
In my experience, places that take a rake count the rake towards the kill trigger and places that take a collection or drop (out of a blind, or wherever) do not count the drop towards to kill trigger. I think this is just a traditional thing; in a raked game, the dealer knows the pot size. In a drop game the dealer often doesn't know the pot size, so they will count the pot to see if it is a kill (yes, they should know the pot size, but they often don't).
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Old 05-09-2011, 02:52 PM   #634
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One thing you can do to make it a bit easier on the dealers is when you have a really drunk guy at the table who isn;t beinga problem ..... just let your floor person (go tell him when you are pushing) this way your floor person can watch out for the player .... maybe get the cocktails to slow down a bit and keep the player in happy drunk place longer before they get to drunk who has to go home stage.
Something I will add, is the floor should know this without being told by the dealer. The dealer should still let him know on the push, but the floor should be watching the games enough to know when someone is getting drunk.

Also in some jurisdictions, it is illegal to permit a visibly intoxicated guest gamble. In these venues, even a polite, happy drunk has to go.
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Old 05-09-2011, 03:17 PM   #635
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What is a kill game? Im from UK and never heard of it?
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Old 05-09-2011, 05:02 PM   #636
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A kill is to help up the action in some games. It can be triggered by any sort of events. At my casino its when the pot reaches a certain amount. Others do it if you push two puts to the same player twice. Those are the most common ones i've seen.

Once the kill is triggered then on the next hand the betting amounts increase. For instance we have a 4-8 Omaha 8 or better game with a half kill when the pot is over 80. So when the pot reaches 80, if one player scoops the pot, then on the next hand he automatically has to post $6. (4 + .5[half kill]x4 = 6). To call into the hand instead of calling the normal BB you have to call the $6.

The same works for a full kill but its double the BB instead of 1.5BB. 5-10 Limit Omaha requires 5 to call for the BB. If its a full kill then once its triggered the person who took the pot has to post $10 and you have to call $10 to be in. On subsequent bettering rounds (Turn + River) the bet is increased to $20.

it helps get the action going for a round or three
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Old 05-09-2011, 05:15 PM   #637
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Where I work the rake is included in the pot size for determining a kill pot, but the jackpot drop is not.
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Old 05-09-2011, 05:47 PM   #638
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i don't think we have any games where the bbj is eligible with a kill...

EDIT: nvm our 5-10 lhe is one. not sure if its a full kill or half kill though I don't remember. I've only dealt it a hand full of times that game never goes
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Old 05-09-2011, 06:23 PM   #639
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Where I work the rake is included in the pot size for determining a kill pot, but the jackpot drop is not.
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i don't think we have any games where the bbj is eligible with a kill...
And this.

Although it is possible to have LHE with a Kill, it's not mandatory in my room and I have yet to have a whole table agree to it (and doubt I will any time soon.)
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Old 05-09-2011, 07:06 PM   #640
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Although it is possible to have LHE with a Kill, it's not mandatory in my room and I have yet to have a whole table agree to it (and doubt I will any time soon.)[/QUOTE]

Our local room here in Oregon spreads a 3/6 LHE and 4/8 LHE with a full kill games several times a week. The players determine the kill level when the game starts. Usually it is just requires a flop.
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Old 05-09-2011, 08:22 PM   #641
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I wish we would make 2/4 a kill game. 2/4 sucks so hard and it makes hardly any money for the casino and we don't spread 3/6 because we want those players to play 4/8. Make it a kill or at least a half kill and at least it will play a little higher...
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Old 05-09-2011, 09:40 PM   #642
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i agree. 2/4 should have a full kill so if players get comfortable playing the 4/8 levels they can step up to 4/8 and have less 2/4 tables. Although i enjoy sitting at a 4/8 table knowing the knowledge is going to be much higher than the 2/4 guys and gals
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Working my first five day week right now. I'll try not to break down under all this hard work
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A kill is to help up the action in some games. It can be triggered by any sort of events. At my casino its when the pot reaches a certain amount. Others do it if you push two puts to the same player twice. Those are the most common ones i've seen.

Once the kill is triggered then on the next hand the betting amounts increase. For instance we have a 4-8 Omaha 8 or better game with a half kill when the pot is over 80. So when the pot reaches 80, if one player scoops the pot, then on the next hand he automatically has to post $6. (4 + .5[half kill]x4 = 6). To call into the hand instead of calling the normal BB you have to call the $6.

The same works for a full kill but its double the BB instead of 1.5BB. 5-10 Limit Omaha requires 5 to call for the BB. If its a full kill then once its triggered the person who took the pot has to post $10 and you have to call $10 to be in. On subsequent bettering rounds (Turn + River) the bet is increased to $20.

it helps get the action going for a round or three
Thanks, great explanation
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Anyone know where the term "kill" came from?
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:53 AM   #646
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well the person with the kill button is also called the "killer" so I would just asume that they are "killing it" or "killing the table" as in dominating. Just a guess
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Old 05-10-2011, 02:29 AM   #647
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I wish we would make 2/4 a kill game. 2/4 sucks so hard and it makes hardly any money for the casino and we don't spread 3/6 because we want those players to play 4/8. Make it a kill or at least a half kill and at least it will play a little higher...
You'd be surprised how much money it makes for the casino.
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Old 05-10-2011, 12:15 PM   #648
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You'd be surprised how much money it makes for the casino.
not at my casino. 1/3 stud and 2/4HE never reach their last rake. Its rare the our 10/20LHE does too
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Old 05-10-2011, 01:02 PM   #649
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At CAZ the rake/jackpot drop/toke is not counted towards the amount to trigger the kill, the player must actually be pushed an amount equal to or grater than the trigger amount.
I.E in 4/8 the trigger is $40, if the player gets pushed $39 , no kill.
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Guess my posts just get ignored.

And ubintook...pretty sure the toke IS counted toward the total.
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