Ooh, good point about posting between. I should ask if that's a policy.

Glad to get some more support for this. I was frankly surprised it wasn't standard policy for everybody.

Well of course he did.

We have a button straddle at my new gig, which makes players feel even more comfortable grabbing and moving the button without telling me, even if they're not posting a straddle. Oh well, time to adapt.

Something that's really common at both casinos I've dealt in this market... many people don't table hands at showdown, they just hold up their cards for their opponent to see. Or they table one card. Then they wonder why I'm not shipping them the pot. WTH? Is this happening anywhere else?

Yes, but it usually works out as the loser mucks and then I push the pot.

in general, do poker dealers prefer that players not touch the button and just let the dealer move it or are they ok with it and just need to be told, "button is good"? i don't usually move it unless i'm in a seat that's far from the dealer and the dealer is perhaps shorter and so it's a stretch for them to reach it. i try to make a habit of telling the dealer i've moved it but maybe i should not do anything and let the dealer do their job?

We have discussed this at lenghth in this thread.

Consensus ..... leave the button where it is, unless the dealer asks for your assistance.

It's nice when that happens.

I also get more than a few people who say "I fold" or "you got it" and then hold onto their cards. I just sit still and stare at the cards until they give them up.

As psand said, we've talked about it a lot, but it's a huge thread and probably not worth reading start to finish.

For myself, I prefer you not touch it, for two reasons:

1) I have a rhythm. Push the pot, move the dot, pull the slot. And I still need to verify that you moved it correctly. Many players either put it in an ambiguous location, or play with it and hide it. I also like to have the "DEALER" point to the player, so I can remember where it is if there's a question. So it doesn't save me any time, and it throws me off my rhythm.

2) Players SCREW IT UP ALL THE TIME. They either move it after I've moved it, or two players will move it, or players will assume another player moved it. It's ridiculous.

Had a HUGE problem at a table just the other day. I went to move the button from Seat 5 to Seat 6, and the Seat 5 said "button is here". Uh, okay, I don't remember moving it, and I'm pretty sure it was just there, but I make mistakes. Seat 4 also insisted it was just moved to Seat 5. So I start dealing. Then Seats 6 and 7 speak up that they had just posted the blinds. Seat 8 says, "yeah, I just straddled." Now, I should remember these things, but I don't always, and I'm in a new room getting used to my routines.

Now it comes out that Seat 5 is claiming that Seat 4 moved the button. Seat 4 claims that Seat 5 moved the button. They're both positive that the button is in Seat 5, and they're both positive that THE OTHER PERSON MOVED IT.

WTF.

I get the floor over to declare a misdeal and tell me to move the button to Seat 6, and I get a bit grumpy for a while.

Don't touch the goddamned button. If you insist on touching it, TELL THE DEALER AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE HEARD.

Ew, you need floor for a misdeal?

He needs the floor because he has two players insisting the buttton is correct

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Exactly.

No, you're not supposed to remember these things--if you could recall that sort of detail, we wouldn't HAVE a button on the table!

Short answer on "Dealers, do want our help with the button?" is: too many cooks spoil the soup. Stay out of my kitchen, you're not helping, you're only getting in the way.

You probably aren't helping them. Even short dealers have a routine and are generally able to move it. Think about it, said short dealer put the button where it is, so why would they have a problem moving it from the location they put it?

/discussion

Pfap I think you need a vacation bro.

good to know, thanks for the responses.

Haha, no worries, I actually quite enjoy my current gig. Had a couple of higher-tension moments the first week, but I think I'm through it now. Just adjusting to the change. Overall it's very chill.

I've seen dealers take the button and toss it to the next spot, way out of their own reach.

Yeah, a lot of dealers do dumb things. Still, most dealers would prefer that players just leave it alone unless asked.

Because the player in the 3 seat likes to move it just out of my reach.

I don't mind help moving the button. Just make sure I know it.

Last night i was dealing a 2/3 spread game, button in 4 seat, flop , turn action gets it down to heads up with the 5 and 6 seat. Not one cross word was spoken in this whole conversation:

I burn and turn the river, and in less than a second i look up and see seat 5 seat place his cards face down and push them towards the muck while seat 6 is showing him a 3 (paired the turn).

I kill seat 5's hand and i push the pot to seat 6.
He just stares at me( pot has 19 dollars in it).

Me:Whats wrong?
6: I folded.
Me: what?
5: i though he was going to bet and i didn't think my 3's could win, i was just showing him.

Me( to seat 5) did you say you were going to bet?
5: no, but i showed him an ace ( there was an ace on board).
6: you had an ace? you win i, im sorry.
5: didn't i show the hand?
whole table: NO, you mucked it
5: Oh i thought i showed him
Me:No you layed them face down and pushed them forward, i killed the hand.
5: ( to seat 6)Oh sorry, my mistake i though you saw the ace, take it
6:No, i believe you, here: ( he slides the 18 over to the 5 seat)
5:No, no , no , no, please it wasn't your fault and pushed it back
6: wanna split it?
5:silence
6: here, you take nine and ill take ten (seat 6 places 1 redbird and 4 whites chips on seats 5's stack).

5: well, ok, thanks


they each toss me a buck ( i thanked them both obviously)

My coworkers were so kind today. Thanksgiving is obviously slow and we had too many dealers. Three of the dealers had either already celebrated Thanksgiving or didn't have family to celebrate with(ones fam out of town, one didn't have family sadly), and they volunteered to work so that some of the rest of the dealers could EO. So we are down to 7 dealers and 3 need to stay so we high card. I draw a 6 and am stuck working. A few minutes later one of my coworkers who expressed how she didn't want to work today and that drew an EO offers to switch me so I could go. I'm blown away how kind and considerate my coworkers are.

Happy Thanksgiving!!!

Just remember .... now you owe her Christmas.

She's playing the long game here.

Amazing. I'd love to see the market that has such polite players.

I once saw a guy split a pot with someone because he felt bad for cracking his pocket aces. "I know how that feels" he says as he stacks the pot and hands him back half of it.

I actually had a dealer during WSOP demand that the players help her move the button. This included moving the button from the 10 to 1 seat and 1 to 2 seat. I laughed at that, but she was pretty serious. I even got a glare when I didn't touch the button and finally didn't move it until she finished her shuffle and told her "button moves." I even got a lecture from one guy about the importance of helping the dealer.

One of those strange things that just make you laugh and wonder where the hell these people regularly deal when things are run just the opposite of what is usually most efficient for most dealers.

It's the WSOP. These are mostly temps. They don't have regular jobs.