Remember me whining about getting no tips during vacation? I just got back from vacation. AND just moved into a new apartment, with all the up-front expenses that entails.

But, to answer your question, not broke enough to bring my last paystub to Jackson Hewitt for a loan against my expected refund when the W2 arrives (which I was surprised, but not shocked, learned last night is an option for the desperately broke).

I got forced out last night, and was sitting around the house with nothing to do, and found my paystub laying around, and figured, "Why wait?"

Heh, the only negative on my annual review was my hands per hour, which came in at about 30.01, while the average dealer in our room puts out 30.88. So since you can't have an employee review without suggesting improvement in SOME area, they suggested I could work on my hands per hour.

As if there's any doubt my practically zero B&T's would suffer.

Years ago I got hired as an on call dealer to open a new room. Although we were told to expect 3 days a week business was really slow and I was hardly scheduled. In the first 90 days I dealt a total of 50 hours .... and that was with me calling them up and asking if they needed me.

so the 90 days comes and everybody has completed there 90 day probation period and they call a meeting. At the meeting they hand out the 90 day performance reviews, but they don;t have one for me. The Day shift manager forgot to do mine ..... so she pulls out a blank form and fills it out. All very positive ..... but she has to put in something I could improve ..... so she puts down that I should deal more often .......

Proper answer: I completely agree. How does 40 hours per week sound?

I once put on one of my floors review that she should improve her ability to predict the future.

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YTF, they can force you out? Omg I wish I could work at room that would force dealers to leave. We have a few that will do up downs just to get their hours.

They force dealers out in my room by seniority. If there's no one left on the EO list, they'll start forcing out by earlier time starts and seniority (a part time casual will go before a regular part time, and a regular part time will go before a full time status... But it never gets to a full timer)

That sounds so amazing to me.

Never seem to have that "problem" here. At least on my shift.

Its not so amazing when you need the work and you are the one getting forced out.

I get that not forcing them out hurts everybody when its slow ..... but that problem is often better addressed by better scheduling.

Get this. They adjusted a lot of fulltimers schedules by two hours earlier or two hours later (which they told us they are allowed to do). They also adjusted many if not all of the part timers schedules. Things were awesome, pushes were longer everyone was making decent money. Ya know what happened? PART TIME Dealers complained so much about their schedules being moved up or back two hours that the shift manager just threw his hands up and moved everything back to the way it was.

I'm not sure where you are, but being in Vegas and being a part time dealer I found that changes in schedule impacted me far more significantly than most fulltime dealers realized. Because I have been working 2 or 3 jobs at a time a two hour change in starting time often conflicts with my other jobs making it harder.

That is the case with probably 2% of our dealers.

Every place I've ever worked, yes. It's an accepted part of the job, apparently everywhere except where you've been. We even have a saying for those who grumble about it, "Hey, you take the good with the bad."

Also, I should clarify that I wasn't actually forced out, in case the folks I work with are reading this (and I know they are). The DC gave me the old, "You want out?", which is his way of saying that he's looking for someone to "take one for the team" so that he won't HAVE TO force anyone out. My New Years resolution was to EO less, and I'd been doing a good job with that, but I'm still too weak to pass up a chance to take one for the team.

Once, about 6 and 1/2 years ago, a floor sent home all the 11 AM start time dealers at 5PM. We were told she could not use us once the 5PM dealers showed up.

That happened ONCE and never again, not after the complaints made to HR. If you want to stay the full 8 hours, they will not send you home.

So if everyone wants to stay 8 hours and there is not enough business what does everyone do? Tripple breaks and that is ok with management? That is the exact opposite of where I work. If they don't need you then you get forced out.

That's what it's like where I used to work. No one is forced out, and part-timers never get sent home. They're always guaranteed their 8-hour shift. It's really stupid. When we first opened, the manager we had was afraid to piss off the part-timers, because he was afraid they might quit if they didn't get enough hours. UM, WHAT? You'll never have a shortage of people who are willing to be part-time poker dealers. NEVER.

Usually when I see a room in this situation some dealers see what is happening and take the EO.

I seldom see an EO I don't like.

Why would anyone want to stay longer, unless you're on hourly pay. I work part time/festivals, and even when we travel a long way if they're aren't any games you go home. Usually works the better dealers stay (which is how it should be, as how else will dealers want to improve, or have anything to strive for), that's life, happens everywhere.

They're not just "hanging out at work". They're trying to make ends meet. Your post, even though you mention "unless you're hourly", seems really naive.

But if you aren't dealing you are making $4 and change an hour.... tips are everything. I can think of better things to do with ones time.

The bolded is not completely true. You can always find someone to deal poker, but there is the issue of whether or not it is someone you want to deal poker. I have seen that in some markets actually being able to deal poker is not a requirement to work as a poker deal, but I generally don't consider those markets. The room needs to have dealers available to deal during peak business times. To keep dealers so they will be available during those times, the part time dealers have to make enough that they don't leave. Also there is an expense involved in hiring a new dealer. This varies greatly by market, but in some markets it can be very significant.

Well its not quite that simple. The issue is not generally whether or you deal or don't deal. The issue is how much you get to deal. Personally I find up downs to be to slow for me and I would generally rather go home. But even doing double breaks you are still getting a chance to make some tips.

And many people don't have anything better to do. If they have 2 more hours in their shift and they will get one more down that s two hours base pay and one down of tips they wouldn't get if they eo. And if its like this everyday they may need that money.

Some places full time employees must average a certain number of hours per week to maintain their full time status. Here it is 32 hours per week. I imagine that would play a role in whether to EO or not for people that cannot afford to lose benefits.