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06-14-2019 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lord_Crispen
I don't disagree, but I also don't argue with people that want a game run a certain way who have more down on the felt in front of them than I make in a year (as long as they're consistent about it and that's how the room either wants it run or is okay with the players adjusting the standard rule).
Neither do I.
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06-14-2019 , 05:00 AM
Even in smaller games there is variation in how preflop pot is calculated, especially when there is a straddle, rock, or bring-in.

Bigger games are often left up to the players to decide. As long as it doesn't cause an issue with gaming and it's all agreed ahead of time it's all good with me.
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06-14-2019 , 09:45 AM
I have two 'rival' casinos where I play PLO and they use the different methods. Pretty sure that posts are counted as 5 PF in both places but then it changes post within the two methods. I think the premise is that dead money is combined when in the middle but as 'whole' when still in front of a Player. One casino leaves them as separately whole when part of a SB or BB fold throughout the hand as others have stated.

I think both can create some confusion at times but in the end a room needs consistency. GL
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06-14-2019 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CupOfSalt
I think it’s pretty clear that betting the pot means what’s in the pot.
You sound like one of those "but that's how they do it everywhere else" players. Just because you learned it that way doesn't make it correct. In fact many places do it opposite of the way you describe. Are you going to tell me I'm wrong even though my rulebook says I'm right just because where you work it is different?
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06-14-2019 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
I have two 'rival' casinos where I play PLO and they use the different methods. Pretty sure that posts are counted as 5 PF in both places but then it changes post within the two methods. I think the premise is that dead money is combined when in the middle but as 'whole' when still in front of a Player. One casino leaves them as separately whole when part of a SB or BB fold throughout the hand as others have stated.

I think both can create some confusion at times but in the end a room needs consistency. GL
Very likely these are games I've played or dealt.

A: 1/2 PLO. Bring in is $5. If UTG bets pot it's $20. (Each blind is rounded up to $5).

B: 2/2 PLO. Bring in is $5. If UTG bets pot it's $15. (The two blinds are combined to make $4 and then rounded up to $5).

Post Flop...

A: If UTG had bet pot ($20) before the flop and only the button called, then there would be $43 in the pot. If UTG bets pot on the flop, the bet is now $40 (white chips don't play).

B: If UTG had bet pot ($15) before the flop and only the button called, then there would be $34 in the pot. If UTG bets pot on the flop, the bet is now $35 (the pot is rounded up to an increment of $5). This would still be the case if only the big blind had called the preflop raise and the total of the pot was $32 instead of $34. A post flop pot bet would still get rounded up to $35.
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06-14-2019 , 02:41 PM
I dealt a 5-10 PLO with optional 25 straddle. If the straddle was on, each blind was counted as 25 so UTG pot would be 125. Post flop I don't 100% remember how it went.

Each room definitely needs to be consistent with itself. I'm ok with variation between rooms because each is catering to a different clientele. Some are built around gamblers who want big pots, others want to be gentler with newbies.
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06-15-2019 , 02:02 AM
I have never called a floor for a rules related question in a nosebleed stakes game (close to 20 years). The games play the way they players say they play.
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06-15-2019 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Guito
I have never called a floor for a rules related question in a nosebleed stakes game (close to 20 years). The games play the way they players say they play.
Never had two players disagree about the ruling?
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06-15-2019 , 12:06 PM
Found this to be amusing and not exactly inaccurate.

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06-15-2019 , 01:00 PM
Sharing with literally everyone
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06-15-2019 , 03:31 PM
Yeah, I’ve seen that before and it’s perfect.
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06-15-2019 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Guito
I have never called a floor for a rules related question in a nosebleed stakes game.
I've seen a floorman go to the nosebleed stakes game to ask the players a rules related question.
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06-15-2019 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
I've seen a floorman go to the nosebleed stakes game to ask the players a rules related question.
To that end, I've seen a floor call a casino in another state to ask if a certain player at a certain nosebleed game was there so she could ask him a rules question.

He was there. Got the desired answer.
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06-16-2019 , 01:46 AM
I feel like little to no effort went into that comic and it’s still absolutely perfect.
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06-16-2019 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Suit
You sound like one of those "but that's how they do it everywhere else" players. Just because you learned it that way doesn't make it correct. In fact many places do it opposite of the way you describe. Are you going to tell me I'm wrong even though my rulebook says I'm right just because where you work it is different?


I’ve worked with this guy, trust me it’s called OCD.
Even tho he responded “your time, your game, don’t care” and shrugged. He still continuously debates it with everyone, if it was a real shrug he would of let it go long time ago.

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06-16-2019 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadstriker
To that end, I've seen a floor call a casino in another state to ask if a certain player at a certain nosebleed game was there so she could ask him a rules question.

He was there. Got the desired answer.
I have received calls from floormen in rooms I have never worked in wanting my opinion.
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06-16-2019 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RR
I have received calls from floormen in rooms I have never worked in wanting my opinion.
A room I used to work at in South Florida would call the Bellagio and speak to a random floor when they had a weird spot.
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06-17-2019 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Never had two players disagree about the ruling?
What ruling? There hasn't been a floor called.
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06-17-2019 , 10:49 AM
Sigh. A player I had never seen before that day posted a negative Google review because his opponent in an all-in situation invoked IWTSTH and the dealer turned his cards over. Said we run an unprofessional room and told the floor he was on a power trip.
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06-17-2019 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Guito
What ruling? There hasn't been a floor called.
I really need to reword this?
Never had 2 high limit players disagree about a rule?
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06-17-2019 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I really need to reword this?
Never had 2 high limit players disagree about a rule?
I can remember a few times, but the players were able to resolve it (often with input from others at the table) without needing a floor.
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06-17-2019 , 10:23 PM
I dunno, the high limit folks in my room are generally better than average in terms of handling their ****, but there is some sort of argument involving yelling and requiring a floor call at least once every few sessions in my experience.
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06-18-2019 , 04:06 PM
Weird when I deal "nosebleed" games they just ask me what the rule is and then do whatever I tell them.
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06-18-2019 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadstriker
Welcome to the forum, PokerOracle.
Thanks I'm just here to say things that would get me fired for saying outloud.
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06-18-2019 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Aurora Tom
Sigh. A player I had never seen before that day posted a negative Google review because his opponent in an all-in situation invoked IWTSTH and the dealer turned his cards over. Said we run an unprofessional room and told the floor he was on a power trip.
Most of the time only losing players complain, I don't concern myself with losing players, losing players don't tip, think they are the authority on everything poker, usually have some sort of personality disorder, are rude to service workers, and are easily manipulated by compliments. I won't say who this person is but I dealt to a "high stakes" player for several years and they were always losing (at least when I was there) and because they were losing they were rude and bitchy about everything I did, not that I made mistakes but they would constantly make comments as I was dealing almost as if they were trying to induce me into making a mistake, so one day I finally said to them "Thank you for being so helpful" when they had read a hand 2 seconds before I could which by the way is more annoying than just giving the dealer the extra moments to read the hands, they just stared at me like I had lost my mind, it was obvious they were always trying to rattle me, so every
time they would interject and make comments when it clearly wasn't needed I would thank them, and eventually they quit making comments, I heard they went broke finally so I don't have to deal to them anymore

Last edited by PokerOracle; 06-18-2019 at 05:45 PM. Reason: (rule factoid) a dealer should never turn a players hand over however they dont have to kill the hand either
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