Already went from 3 to 10. Raise of $7. 15-10 = $5 which is more than half a legal rasie. We force the raise to $17.

oh yea good point, still a raise!

The raise would be to $17 since the opening raise was from $3 to $10.

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When I moved to Vegas, I had to fly out twice!
Once for the audition and one time for when I got hired they need to do a drug screening within a period of time.

If that's the case and he threw out 2 additional red chips then it's a raise to 17.

I know some places will let you get tested out of the area.

That sounds terrible, but I guess if you're at the drug screen step, you're already on board, and can go ahead and move if you're confident about the screen and have things settled where you are. If I decide on Vegas, I might just go ahead and try to find a longterm air BnB or month to month place to live tentatively. Probably wouldn't do that anywhere else, there's just so many casinos, if a strip casino won't let me deal poker, maybe that one truck stop will let me deal blackjack (I don't really wanna go back to the pits though).

Do any of your managers expect you to stop the action to clarify in this spot or do they want you to force a raise no matter what the intention was? I think obviously if there is action after then it has to be a raise, but what if no action?

This. The dealer should clarify immediately before more action. By rule this sounds like a raise in a 50% or more room, but clarification is helpful so nobody behind acts improperly based on confusing information.

I don't disagree with you... The dealer should clarify by announcing "raise to 17" and asking the player to complete his bet .....

Even if he only intended to call $10 and did this by accident, you don't care? He must now raise?

Whether I care is irrelevant. I have yet to see a rule book that says a player who puts out a raise should be asked if he intended to raise and allowed to take back the chips if he says no I didn't intend to raise.

If that is in your rule book then certainly that is what your dealers should do.

That is why I was asking. Curious your opinion as well as what you are expected to do by your employer.

My opinion is he should be held to a raise here .... But if I am a player and he just seems like a clueless idiot I won't be upset if they let him just call. The thing that really aggravates me though is when 1 round later he is SB and dumbass does it again. At this point I want someone to smack him.

A similar situation happened to me in the past few weeks as well. Gets to the flop with 4 players, one guy leads out for 16, another guy calls, third guy throws out a green and a white, one guy left to act, I pause for a couple seconds to calculate if it needs to be a raise or not, then announce raise before the last guy acts. The guy who threw the 26 out erupts "what!? I wanted to call" (mind you, this guy is no rookie, i deal to him multiple times a week and he regularly has lots of chips in front of him)... then I explain to him why it's a raise, he refuses to put out 32, demands a floor come over... fine whatever, "floor!" floor comes over, rules (incorrectly, of f***ing course) that it's a call because "it wasn't enough for a raise anyways"... fine, whatever, I was trained not to argue with floor rulings even if you know they're incorrect, so I just apologize to that player and move on... fourth player calls the 16, on to the turn, complete brick... checks to Mr. 26 and he fires an almost pot-sized bet into 4 players on that complete brick (hmmmmmm, my angleshoot senses start tingling) everyone folds... immediately after the hand and he is scooping his chips, he says (you know football0020, i think you were right, that floor was wrong... more angleshoot senses going off)

So my question to all of you is, regardless of whether or not it's in a rulebook, when ambiguous situations like this come up, wouldn't it be better had I just clarified immediately with that player after he threw the 26 out "are you calling or raising?" and he would immediately give me an answer.. in that situation, it would have nipped his angle right in the bud, not to mention it would've saved over a minute of my down between the arguing and floor coming over... just my two cents on the situation, whether it is right or not

Yeah that will speed up play if every time a player bets with oversized chip(s) we have to stop the action to confirm what they want to do.

Out here, some of us wanna go to the pits cause poker shifts are hard to come by, nobody offers enough hours to sustain living. Most have multiple dealing jobs.

I knew this, and the specific place I got the job at didn’t do it, so I had no choice but to fly out.

Really? How hard are we talking? Like, getting scheduled 1 to 2 days a week on avg? I know full time is hard to come by for poker, but as someone with no debt and no dependents, 3-4 days of dealing a week would be perfectly fine by me.

I miss the pits sometimes, but I just hated the expectation of putting on some phony, bubbly personality by guests and management. Poker, I just have to nod or say something halfway witty once an hour and get by fine. The pits were typically easier though, so much downtime where you were still getting paid $20-$30+ an hour. I remember many days in high limit blackjack where I would deal for like 30 minutes in an 8 hour shift.

Just curious, but isn't that super boring to only deal for 30 minutes and be standing around for other 7.5 hours? I guess you're watching the TVs nearby?

Yeah, it kinda is, but with a 20 min. break guaranteed every 60-80 minutes, it gets broken up so it's not that bad. In high limit at my place, you were facing TVs, and if you were dead outside of high limit, there was often lots of entertaining people-watching to do. Baccarat is the best game to be dead on, because it's typically dealt sitting down. Also, some of the games are so boring to deal, I swear, the time goes slower when you're dealing them vs. standing dead (pai gow, three card poker, let it ride, any pit poker game). I'm a patient guy who can entertain himself for long periods of time, taskless solitude for $25/hr is not a bad gig.

Our directive is to be "player friendly" which includes giving leeway to inexperienced players. We're a newish room in an area that has never had a real poker room so we have a lot of players who have only played in home games.

When I have called a floor over for things like this, they generally allow it to be a call as long as there hasn't been action after.

I personally tell my dealers to stop the action and clarify with the player what they are trying to do. Put the player on the spot to explain. This stops an angle and keeps the game smooth. If there is action behind, then we go by the rule in the book. If it is enough to raise, then its a raise.

Let’s put it this way. I work at a world famous poker room. Outside of busy season, it’s two days a week.
You’ll get to your shift and be on “hold” for couple hours, then when u do get on the line up, it’s a dead spread, then after the dead spread? Oh snap it’s a break. There goes 3 hours of dead time paying tip compliance. After couple more hours, full time swing dealers start coming in and eventually get forced out.
Vegas ain’t what it used to be.

Good to know that I might have to find 2 dealing jobs if I decide on Vegas. Sounds like a pain on the butt, but on the brightside, it's gotta be hard to point out with only 2 days every week.