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06-21-2018 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadstriker
Make sure my TD and I aren't on crack please.

Button in 1. Seats 2 and 3 bust out on the hand. Seats 2 and 3 filled by players from broken game prior to next hand.

Button now on 2. 3 is small. 4 is Big. There is no "can't assume small blind or button" shenanigans. All players are dealt in.

Is this all correct?
This is correct if you follow TDA rules.
(As an aside it is better to refer to them as coming from a broken table than a broken game ... In a tournament all tables are part of the same game)
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06-21-2018 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadstriker
Make sure my TD and I aren't on crack please.

Button in 1. Seats 2 and 3 bust out on the hand. Seats 2 and 3 filled by players from broken game prior to next hand.

Button now on 2. 3 is small. 4 is Big. There is no "can't assume small blind or button" shenanigans. All players are dealt in.

Is this all correct?
So the two new players come in as the current button and small blind while seat 4 takes his natural big blind? That's how the last two rooms I worked in would do it.

In those rooms the only way a new player cannot come in is if their seat is between the current button and the small blind.

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06-21-2018 , 09:05 PM
Just making sure I wasn't living in some bizarro world. This place makes me question things I thought I knew a dozen years ago regularly.
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06-21-2018 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadstriker
Just making sure I wasn't living in some bizarro world. This place makes me question things I thought I knew a dozen years ago regularly.
It does tend to confuse some peple because the rule is different if your moving a player to balance tables
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06-22-2018 , 10:05 AM
Players from a broken table can assume any legitimate position. If the button or SB is dead and then they sit in those positions, they can assume it. You can’t assume between the SB and the button because it is a nonexistent position and would cause someone to be the BB twice at the same table in the same orbit.

The exception is if the player was a BB moved from another table to balance. In the same scenario, the button moves to seat 2 but a supervisor brings in a BB from another table to balance and is placed in seat 3 (This is fine as seat 4 hasn’t been BB yet this orbit anyways). In this spot, Seat 3 will be the BB by himself. The next hand, the button won’t move and S3 will be SB and S4 will be BB. Now the button is again naturally moving every hand.
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06-22-2018 , 10:57 AM
I'm thinking that in most cases you're going to deal the next hand before the new players get there though, no? Unless you're specifically waiting for the broken table players to sit down and not miss a hand. Then everyone else is whining that you're not pausing the clock.

Our room we would likely be dealing the next hand, with a dead button and Big/Big. Hand after would be Small-on-the-button/Small/Big. After that it's back to normal. I don't think that's TDA though, but we don't follow TDA on everything currently.
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06-22-2018 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Aurora Tom
I'm thinking that in most cases you're going to deal the next hand before the new players get there though, no?
Usually that's the case which is why many dealers and players are not completely familiar with the rules but not always. There might be a table breaking at that moment and you're short handed so the floor says to wait a second. Or, seat 4 would have been the SB but busted. Seat 5 was already empty and a player sits there before the next hand starts. They assume the SB because they're between the button and BB.

I have never run across a rule set where you have a dead button and two BB. I thought with the moving button rule you always move it to the next live player.
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06-22-2018 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Reducto

I have never run across a rule set where you have a dead button and two BB. I thought with the moving button rule you always move it to the next live player.
It's the exception to the moving button rule, at least here anyway. Only when the new button and the new SB bust/walk. Otherwise the BB gets the button.
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06-22-2018 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Aurora Tom
I'm thinking that in most cases you're going to deal the next hand before the new players get there though, no? Unless you're specifically waiting for the broken table players to sit down and not miss a hand. Then everyone else is whining that you're not pausing the clock.

Our room we would likely be dealing the next hand, with a dead button and Big/Big. Hand after would be Small-on-the-button/Small/Big. After that it's back to normal. I don't think that's TDA though, but we don't follow TDA on everything currently.
If the table is too short you would pause play at the table....
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06-22-2018 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil9

The exception is if the player was a BB moved from another table to balance. In the same scenario, the button moves to seat 2 but a supervisor brings in a BB from another table to balance and is placed in seat 3 (This is fine as seat 4 hasn’t been BB yet this orbit anyways). In this spot, Seat 3 will be the BB by himself. The next hand, the button won’t move and S3 will be SB and S4 will be BB. Now the button is again naturally moving every hand.
In this case I would not move the button to seat 2. I would leave the button in seat 1 and put the moved player in seat 2 as a single BB.

Why would I not move the button to the 2 seat ... because dead button doesn't mean a button in an empty seat it means the button doesn't move.

While it doesn't make a substantial difference in the play at this time. Where you seat a player could impact where another player gets moved to at another time so its best to be consistent.

Suppose during the next hand a table gets broken and a player is coming in from the broken table.....

under your method he is coming in on the button. While using my method he comes in to the Big blind in seat 3. (I use this to demonstrate how it matters ... I'm not saying it is necessarily better that he be in any particular position ... just saying a consistent approach is needed here).
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06-22-2018 , 03:07 PM
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we don't follow TDA on everything
Back in the early days of the TDA, I was told a famous TD would start his tourneys with, "We follow all TDA rules that I agree with..."
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06-25-2018 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Aurora Tom
It's the exception to the moving button rule, at least here anyway. Only when the new button and the new SB bust/walk. Otherwise the BB gets the button.
1. Appears your are blend might ing button with dead button methods. Not sure what benefit you see especially for tournament play.

2. I was not aware that moving button was used in tournaments. Does the TDA rules specifically spell out the button method?
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06-25-2018 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Fore
1. Appears your are blend might ing button with dead button methods. Not sure what benefit you see especially for tournament play.

2. I was not aware that moving button was used in tournaments. Does the TDA rules specifically spell out the button method?
TDA specifies dead button (rule 32) and it's rules for balancing/breaking only make sense with a dead button rule.
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06-26-2018 , 09:42 AM
Overheard at a 2/5 table:

"What's the worst downswing you can have at 5/10 and still be a winning player?"

One guy says "I've come back from 30k down before"

Next guy says "I know someone who's been stuck 50k in that game."

Last guy says "I dunno, I always move up before it gets that bad."

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06-26-2018 , 12:37 PM
Last guy is the hero we all want to be.
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06-26-2018 , 06:47 PM
One of my old jokes ended with a twist last night.

Sometimes, to prompt the first player to act, I will announce, "The first player...will go first." This usually goes over the heads of the masses who have tuned out my voice, but it sometimes gets a chuckle, and occasionally, a good LOL. When it gets the LOL, I keep going: "They taught me that in dealers school." And if they're still responding positively, I finish with, "They said, 'Open your books to Page One.'"

That's my standard act. Last night, the LOL guy said, "Was that an Ivy League dealers school you went to?"

Now it was MY turn to LOL....because a few years back, I seriously pursued the idea of opening a dealers school in Boston when the new casino went online. I gave it up, as I've decided I like living in the midwest better than the expensive, crowded Boston area....but one thing I struggled with when planning the place, was a good name for my business.

How good would "Ivy League Dealers School" sound? In Boston!
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06-26-2018 , 06:59 PM
Safety school.
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06-26-2018 , 07:39 PM
I think you would be in court against the owner(s) of "Ivy League."

Sent from the safety of the minor league.
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06-26-2018 , 10:16 PM
Ivey League

Then you get sued in two places
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06-26-2018 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Sometimes, to prompt the first player to act, I will announce, "The first player...will go first." This usually goes over the heads of the masses who have tuned out my voice, but it sometimes gets a chuckle, and occasionally, a good LOL. When it gets the LOL, I keep going: "They taught me that in dealers school." And if they're still responding positively, I finish with, "They said, 'Open your books to Page One.'"

That's my standard act. Last night, the LOL guy said, "Was that an Ivy League dealers school you went to?"
And then YTF lowered the boom with the punch line:

Spoiler:
Yeah, I only got in because I was a legacy.
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06-26-2018 , 10:37 PM
Seriously, I kept trying to come up with a better name than "Mr Smooth's Dealers School", and couldn't.
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06-28-2018 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Seriously, I kept trying to come up with a better name than "Mr Smooth's Dealers School", and couldn't.
A name like that, and I think you'd get applicants looking to become a different type of dealer.
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06-28-2018 , 04:44 PM
I'd follow Ron Swanson's example.

Very Good Poker Dealing School
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06-30-2018 , 12:14 PM
So I just started dealing poker this week. I'm currently on break of my second day as I type this. So far my nerves are already settling down and I've enjoyed it, although I haven't had the chance to deal a cash game yet.

Anyways has anybody else ever had the problem where their hands get dry? For some reason my hands have been getting dry and sticky which makes pitching the cards extremely hard. Anybody have any advice?
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06-30-2018 , 12:51 PM
Working Hands is the best stuff I have used.
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