For the record, I'm with Steam on this. A player is allowed to announce "pot", even when he doesn't have that much to bet. Don't blame the dealer, blame the stupid rule.
Keeping your hands in front of your cards or your chips used to be a big no-no. It's not, any more. It used to be rare to see it--now, you can't NOT see it. It's the way the game is played now. I don't like it, not one bit, but I can't change the world for you.
I rarely play big-bet poker any more, but when I do, I don't stand for this. I won't ask my opponent to lift his hands in a respectful tone that suggests that it's I who is imposing upon him. I'll use my "you're being rude" voice and tell him, "I can't see your chips, sir."
I can't imagine expecting the dealer to this FOR me. The poor man would be so busy with this, he'd never get a card out!
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Originally Posted by football0020
If I was dealing, I'd be aware that the guy has less than 2300 going into the river, that way when he inevitably says pot like so many of those clowns do rather than just knowing the bet themselves, I'll be ready to announce all-in and throw the button out. Now it's on the other player to ask for a count if needed, but really I don't see why he shouldn't know his opponent's stack himself going into the river.
Are you a dealer?
(EDIT TO ADD: I now see from the post before this one, that yes, he is. the rest of this is going to sound condescending and stupid now, my stipulation at the end not withstanding--but I'll leave it here, hoping it might help the non-dealers reading the thread.)
I am.
I'm focused on a lot of things at once. I need to keep track of whose turn it is; how much is in the pot; that each bet put into the pot is correct; is the boardman aware I have an empty seat; etc. Usually, I don't even get to read the board cards before the showdown.
If you're not a dealer, you might be fooled by how easy this looks, as all this thinking doesn't meet the eye. It looks like we're just sitting there, waiting for you guys to finish betting the turn, so we don't miss our cue to put out the river card. If you imagine that's what we're doing, you might also imagine we would be watching this hand like you watch poker on tv: wondering how this is going to play out, will he c-bet this flop?, etc. And of course, to do this, we would need to take into consideration the board cards, stack sizes, players' images, etc.
Again, I *am* a dealer. I've got way too much mental juggling going on, to be spending my time diving that deep (effective stack sizes) into the play of a hand. And even if I *did* have that sort of time, I don't give a ****! I see 100's of hands per week, this is just another one, it means nothing to me. I don't care if someone makes a good play or a bad play, I'm not there to judge this like it's gymnastics or boxing. Outside of "which of these guys is a good/bad tipper?", I don't give a single **** about this hand.
If I had to toss an all-in button, I would. In my room, I don't, except in tournaments, where we follow TDA rules. If this were a PLO tourney, then yes, every time every player said the word pot, I would pick up the all-in button, poised to throw it, and ask, "Are you all-in?" I would do what most of the folks ITT think should've been done here.
But short of being tasked with marking all-ins, it's not my job.
(Now, if the guy I quoted above *IS* a dealer, I would wonder how strictly he's paying attention to all the things I mentioned, if he's spending his time keeping track of everybody's unbet stacks. Sure, he *could* be the greatest dealer in the history of poker, able to do it all without breaking a sweat....but I haven't met too many of those guys.)
Last edited by youtalkfunny; 06-20-2018 at 02:30 PM.