Let me put it this way, out of the 920 dealers they hired in 2009, about 150 returned to do it again in 2010.

In other words, it ****ing sucks.

If you want a vacation, take a vacation.

If you want a working vacation try to get in with Card Player cruises. I did a couple of cruises with another company (now out of business) --- that was a lot of fun.

Having just started at a Harrah's property, I also am wondering about dealing the WSOP. Would welcome specific tales. As long as I got a place to stay and paid, I would he happy to view it as a trip to Vegas I get paid to do - especially since I have never been to Vegas before.

If I have a lot of out-of-pocket expenses, I wouldn't be as enthusiastic about it, but I don't mind working for a little less than I make now to get out there and be a part of something I think is kinda cool.

The dealer is responsible for all travel and lodging, but they are tax deductible.

and food, and we know that's gonna be 99% of your expenses.

I have never heard anyone who was happy they had dealt the WSOP. Not in recent years anyway.

Are there any dealers who have dealt since 2006 who enjoyed the experience as much as they enjoy working in their own rooms?

Was the money better or worse than you thought it would be?

I know Psandman has a definite opinion about dealing the WSOP. Based on what he says I would never wish to deal it.

Anything specific as to why people do not like it?

Actually when I dealt we could eat a meal at the EDR ....... but it was so far away you could never make it on a break .......

Because the management does not respect you. The management steals from you. the management makes things as difficult as possible (When I dealt there were times when i left work not knowing what time I was supposed to come in the next day because management didn;t see fit to put pout the schedule yet, weeks into the event we were no longer allowed to park in the employee lot.... we had to park in a lot further away even though there was lots of available parking in the employee lot, they could never get the downs right for paying us. almost every day I had to file a correction form in duplicate)

Oh did I mention the fact that they didn;t pay us when they promised......

Wow, that's pretty incredible. I should stop complaining about my casino's management.

Hey all,

First off just wanted to say I really enjoy this thread and others. I've been a LONG TIME lurker dont enjoy to post much (ever). I just wanted to say I did this years wsop and, although laborious at times, I did make 5 figures.

That's not all that bad for pitchin cards. I do agree that the level of dealers at the wsop is probably lacking compared to your local cardroom but thats due to them needing SO MANY. I am part of that group that someone coined "nomadic dealers". We basically travel around to any and all events that are put on throughout the year. The better ones get into the smaller events and everyone gets into the wsop.

As for this years event- the scheduling thing was changed. It's put out on a weekly basis and was very well organized. THe edr I never visited as it was probably a 30 min walk, but the breakroom was always stocked w/ sandwiches, pasta, sushi, soda , coffee, etc. Not great , but edible.

THis was my first wsop(and only 7th(ish) event ever but I would return. I made some good friends and dealt some games I wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise(badugi, badaci, and big-o). Frustrating at times yes , but overall not too bad

rms

Glad to hear it went alright for you. How many weeks did you put in?

I was "allowed" to deal to day 3 (main) I believe. At that point they went to seniority and more experience dealers.We got 6 day work weeks this year and I did go in more than once in my day off. We were also encouraged to play on off time which is obv +ev as I see these guys play lol. (although no winnings were calculated into "earnings" for wsop). I also find it somewhat amusing watching this ugly mug on tuesday nights(as well as my roomates). I look back and only remember please get those goddamn cameras away-I have such a hangover. Ah , vegas

rms

Maybe your schedule you was out on a weekly basis in advance (putting out the Mon through Fri day schedule on Sunday night at 10PM is still a problem). But i knew dealers dealing it this year who were having the same issues with the schedule being put out at the last minute. In fact I heard them trying to deal with that all the time (remember these were all dealers who were working with me so the WSOP was a second job that makes the scheduling thing even more difficult when they don't give you any lead time).

And you may have made 10 figures but don't assume everyone did. I know lots of dealers who didn't. What shift you work and where you get put in the line up is a big factor on your earning potential. You may have gotten lucky or maybe you have a good relationship with the DC.

TEN FIGURES OH MY GOD I'M IN!









Yes I know what you meant. However I am certain that in next month's round of "omg never tip dealers" threads on 2+2 someone is going to come in and argue that Psandman said dealers make $1,000,000,000 every 2 months.

well those of who are good do.......you lumps may not. Sadly I then must convert this currency from monopoly money to real money before I pay my mortgage.

I didn't work overtime on Saturday night for once! Alert the media.

Okay guys what schedule would you pick
Friday 3pm - 1 am
Saturday 3pm - 1 am
Sunday noon to 10pm
or Friday - sunday 5pm to 3 am

I currently do three 3pm starts and one 5pm start for my workweek.

I'd take the 3pm to 1am shifts for a variety of reasons. These may not (and in some cases definitely do not) apply for you.

1. No traffic driving to work at 2:30 in the afternoon. 4:30pm? Can be dicey. Obviously this could not be an issue depending on your area.

2. Girlfriend works either 1pm or 3pm starts at her gig. Glad to be on similar shifts =D When I was on graves and it was literally like we were trading off times in bed, it was so hard for me and one of the most difficult times.

3. I like being home around midnight, staying up a couple hours doing whatever, and then going to bed around 2-3am. Then when I wake up I can get stuff done if I have to in the morning, or if I want to sleep in it's no big deal. I feel like I can operate on normal person time and still get enough rest. If I'm getting home at 3 and going to bed at 5 or 6, I feel like there's no time in the day after sleeping to get stuff done. Having worked straight nights, I really don't know how people do it. I just felt tired alllll the time. Obviously 5pm starts you're not talking about true overnight stuff, but for me starting earlyish afternoon makes me feel good.

4. Sunday nights usually not so busy, as people play in the daytime and then leave early to get ready for their workweek. I can see Sunday night from like 9pm-3am being pretty poor moneywise. Noon to 10 on sundays? That'll be pretty good, especially now that football is here.


So my advice, Take the 3pm starts. I love them.

What ? three of those choices are a single 10 hour shift and one choice is either a single 34 hour shift or 3 10hour shifts? what kind of schedule is that.

Does your place keep steady during these times?

I have only played live once, and I was very self conscious about doing something wrong or slowing the game. Fortunately the dealers and other players were gracious and helpful!

Can most dealers tell the difference between an awkward or inexperienced player and someone who knows better but is just rude or seeking an edge? Are you more lenient with noobs?

Yes we can tell. Are we more lenient? That depends on what you think that means. I can't choose to not enforce rules because you are new. But if there is wiggle room in perception the new player is going to get the benefit of the doubt -- but so will an experienced player who isn't an *******.

But if you are a new player and you string bet .... I can't let it go .... but i will make sure to explain to you what the rule is so that next time you can do it properly. If your an experienced player I'll just enforce it and move on.

I didn't mean in enforcement, I meant in attitude and understanding. You did address it in that last paragraph, and I think that's the perfect way to do it. I wasn't sure if I lucked out with really nice folks my first time or if most can tell a fumbly mistake from something intentional.

Thank you.

Yes, I'm generally more clear with new players as to their options at any point. Remember, we're there to help!

EDIT: Also, women tend to get more help in general. I know there are a lot of gender inequalities in our society, but getting casino employees to bend over backwards to help you in a world that's generally a huge sausagefest is one that tips in your favor.

I played live in a casino for the first time this weekend.

The dealers were all very helpful and nice to me. I did do a couple things wrong and they had no problem helping me out.

I also felt bad because I didn't realize in live games how often players blame the dealer on their luck.