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11-14-2021 , 11:14 AM
When I get a bank fill I like to overload the well with white chips. I figure I'll be making a lot of change and that the bank will be easily countable/manageable by the time the next dealer replaces me at the table.

Here's my question.

Why is it that as soon as I get my fill, all of the players decide "now is a good time for me to put out my $5 bet in all whites"? They were perfectly content to load up on piles of whites in their own chip stacks before. Is there an unspoken conspiracy???
11-14-2021 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bolt2112 Bobby's Breakroom - for gaming employee chatter + YTF appreciation. See restrictions in Post #1
Why is it that as soon as I get my fill, all of the players decide "now is a good time for me to put out my $5 bet in all whites"? They were perfectly content to load up on piles of whites in their ow chip stacks before. Is there an unspoken conspiracy???
I don't have an explanation but I'm pretty sure this phenomenon is related to asking for ones to pay the waitress only when you're low, instead of just asking for change.
11-14-2021 , 12:36 PM
I think it's the same reason why you get one person calling with 5 whites, then the next calling with all whites, then the next, then a raise to 25 with 10 whites. All they see is "Hey look, white chips! I bet I have a bunch I want to get rid of.

Is the reverse better? I get a fill in a 2-4 limit game. Everyone waits until it comes then says "Hey, can I get 40 white?" "Can I get 100 white"? Now I need another fill. You couldn't have asked for them when I was telling the chip runner what I needed???
11-14-2021 , 01:25 PM
When are the best times during a hand to ask for whites? I try to wait until after all cards are dealt if I need them "immediately".

Normally don't ask waitress for change unless a tourney.
11-14-2021 , 01:47 PM
Brand new 2/5 game. Player arrives with a rack of $500 in red. He asks for change and gets two $2's and a $1, I assume because he'll be ordering a drink. Players settle in, first hand is dealt, limped to this player who dutifully calls with the two $2's and the $1. Humans are fascinating creatures.
11-14-2021 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by machi5 Bobby's Breakroom - for gaming employee chatter + YTF appreciation. See restrictions in Post #1
Brand new 2/5 game. Player arrives with a rack of $500 in red. He asks for change and gets two $2's and a $1, I assume because he'll be ordering a drink. Players settle in, first hand is dealt, limped to this player who dutifully calls with the two $2's and the $1. Humans are fascinating creatures.

Clearly he was making sure you had change in your first pot. Not all heroes wear capes Bobby's Breakroom - for gaming employee chatter + YTF appreciation. See restrictions in Post #1


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11-14-2021 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall Bobby's Breakroom - for gaming employee chatter + YTF appreciation. See restrictions in Post #1
When are the best times during a hand to ask for whites? I try to wait until after all cards are dealt if I need them "immediately".
Other dealers might have another answer, but for me any time the action is NOT ON YOU and I'm not actively doing something else at the time like counting out a bet or pushing a pot.

Players always get confused when I suggest they shouldn't throw chips towards the pot when action is on them unless they're betting/calling/raising.
11-16-2021 , 09:23 AM
I liken the 'white chip' behavior to the same thing that happens to the bottom of a bag of chips, cereal or the pitcher of lemonade (or the last 4 rotations of toilet paper). No one wants to deal with having to throw away the container or making new. So the portion sizes get smaller as you get to the bottom of the container.

Or it's just a human impulse to 'protect' items that may becoming scarce .. so when there's an abundance of something they feel more free to 'use' the supply, knowing there's replacements near by. GL
11-24-2021 , 04:44 AM
Due to a rotation mixup I had to deal $5/$10 game for two downs. Normally this is a really bad beat, but the game was actually pretty good so no complaints.

Anyway, there was one non-regular player who was constantly staring down his opponents. I am not talking about looking at his opponents for a tell, but actively trying to intimidate them by just openly staring at them with an unblinking look through the whole hand. I am sure this works well for him at some games but it was not working well for him at this game. The other players at first ignored it but after a while they started to openly mock him.

A couple of comments involve asking him if he behaves like that in bathrooms and other sexual stuff.

One hand involved a player raising, he called, then both blinds called. 4 to the flop. Initial raiser bets out on the flop, Stare Guy raises and starts his act of trying to intimidate the bettor by staring at him. Small blind folds, but then the big blind sits there for a few seconds without doing anything. The whole time Stare Guy is looking at the initial bettor without blinking. Finally, big blind speaks up and tells Stare Guy that he is feeling left out and wants his attention so he puts in a huge raise. Initial raiser thinks for a few seconds and folds. Stare Guy sheepishly folds.

A few hands later Stare Guy is involved in a hand with a player and puts out a bet and proceeds with his stare. The other player sits quietly for a few seconds then suddenly out of nowhere holds his hands up to his ears, waves them, sticks out his tongue, and makes a funny face (think of what someone would do to a baby in a bassinet). He does this while throwing out a raise. Everyone starts laughing and Stare Guy folds.

Finally, the funniest moment of the double down was near the end. Stare Guy gets involved with a player who checks to him on the flop. Stare Guy bets and starts staring. His opponent then goes into the tank. He keeps shuffling chips while shifting around in his chair and making different type of thinking faces. Finally the player sits still for a long time, maybe a minute or more. He suddenly leans to the side and lets out a really long and really loud fart. The fart goes on for like 20 seconds. Everyone is quiet for like 10 seconds afterwards then the whole table starts cracking up. The player laughs and says he has been holding that is for a few minutes just waiting for the opportunity to release it properly. Then he folds.

I don't think I have openly laughed as much as I did while dealing in a really long time.

Best (two) down in a while.
11-25-2021 , 06:43 PM
Every year I worked on Thanksgiving the casino offered a turkey dinner for the staff. Is this standard, or have I been lucky (until this year)?

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11-25-2021 , 07:01 PM
It's pretty standard to have some sort of upgraded meal on Thanksgiving and Christmas. The upgrade might still be crap, but it will at least be something different.

I haven't been in yet but they did say there would be turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, and cranberry sauce.
11-25-2021 , 10:11 PM
Having experienced food poisoning in the past from the Thanksgiving employee "meal" I stay far away from it.

Actually I started bringing my own food all the time now, for various reasons.
11-26-2021 , 06:34 PM
Although my casino is too small for a cafeteria-style EDR (we just have a soda machine, cereal, a microwave, and some outsourced refrigerated and snacky things we can pay for) they do sometimes feed us and I thought I recalled a turkey-and-trimmings meal in the past Thanksgiving I worked.

I didn't expect it to be gourmet or anything, I was just driving from my FT job to the PT dealing job and while I do that all time, I usually grab something on the commute and that was difficult on a day where everyone is closed.

I wound up eating a chicken salad and salad greens packaged item. But I made $450 dealing so the generosity of the players more than made up for it in the end and I am making my first turkey tomorrow when we're all off work.
12-03-2021 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NYCNative Bobby's Breakroom - for gaming employee chatter + YTF appreciation. See restrictions in Post #1
Every year I worked on Thanksgiving the casino offered a turkey dinner for the staff. Is this standard, or have I been lucky (until this year)?

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We used to get free dinner every holiday, and a Christmas bonus, before a corporation bought us
12-03-2021 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall Bobby's Breakroom - for gaming employee chatter + YTF appreciation. See restrictions in Post #1
When are the best times during a hand to ask for whites? I try to wait until after all cards are dealt if I need them "immediately".

Normally don't ask waitress for change unless a tourney.
Always get change from the waitress, or just give the redbird or whatever. Change from dealer = whites leaving the table, leading to the need for more fills.
12-03-2021 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Guito Bobby's Breakroom - for gaming employee chatter + YTF appreciation. See restrictions in Post #1
Always get change from the waitress, or just give the redbird or whatever. Change from dealer = whites leaving the table, leading to the need for more fills.
Change from waitress will be in bills so instead of a fill sooner you now have$4 leaving the game. Both are miniscule impacts but I prefer keeping the chips in play.
12-03-2021 , 07:48 PM
I would rather make the change myself because I can do it much faster, which keeps the game moving and helps the waitress do her job. It's frustrating waiting for someone to act while they fumble around trying to get change from a neighbor, then finally the waitress when I'm already hovering with the whites they need. Gotta crank out those hands!
12-04-2021 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Fore Bobby's Breakroom - for gaming employee chatter + YTF appreciation. See restrictions in Post #1
Change from waitress will be in bills so instead of a fill sooner you now have$4 leaving the game. Both are miniscule impacts but I prefer keeping the chips in play.
Ahhh, I didn't think about change in bills. Lowest bill we have is $5. Wait staff here get most of their bank (float?) in chips.
12-04-2021 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Guito Bobby's Breakroom - for gaming employee chatter + YTF appreciation. See restrictions in Post #1
Ahhh, I didn't think about change in bills. Lowest bill we have is $5. Wait staff here get most of their bank (float?) in chips.
Here drinks are free or at least most are. So most of the $ waitstaff have are tips and since most of these come from slot players, nearly all their monies are in currency not chips. If you give them a $5 bill they will ask if you need change which they give in cash. If you give them a $5 chip , you only get change if you ask and it will nearly always be in currency not chips.
12-07-2021 , 01:01 AM
Dealing a short-handed 1/3. New player sits down in seat 9. Within their first orbit, they lose a ~$400 pot after getting rivered.

s2 - Man, that seat has been getting rivered all night.
s9 - Oh really?
s2 - Yeah. If I were you, I'd move somewhere else.
s9 - I think I'll do that.

Spoiler:
He moved to seat 8
12-07-2021 , 04:21 AM
Literally the 1st hand I deal after tapping into a tournament table. Button is in seat 1. Preflop, seat 5 initially raises and seat 9 calls. I deal out the flop and I start to order the seat cards that the previous dealer left a mess. Seat 5 bets flop, seat 9 calls. I burn and turn. Turn action goes check, check. On the river, seat 5 bets, seat 9 raises, seat 5 reraises with a bunch of chips (without going all in). Seat 9 throws out one chip and says call. Seat 5 shows a full house and seat 9 tosses his cards in the muck. All of this river action happens in a matter of seconds.

I count out seat 5's bet and telling the amount to seat 9. He throws in the rest of his chips (which were hidden behind a drink and a bottle of water). I count them up and they are barely just short of seat 5's bet.

Seat 9 starts standing up and getting his stuff ready to leave. I apologize to the table and say that I did not realize that seat 9 was all in and his cards were already mucked (since all hands must be shown at show down in a tournament all in).

I push the pot, put out the seat card, shuffle and start to deal the next hand.

As I am dealing, seat 5 asks me what seat 9 showed on the all in. I explain to him that I just sat down and couldn't see his chips so I did not realize he was all in so I did not block the muck when he discarded.

Seat 5 just starts to go off on me. He starts complaining that all hands need to be shown on all ins. I again apologize and explain that I just sat down, it happened so fast, and I did not know he was all in. He continues to berate me for the next few hands and won't let it go. Worst part it is absolutely clear that seat 9 had a ten which matched the two tens on the board and probably had a really good kicker (Ace or King). Just the way the action played out. I would bet quite a lot of money on it. It wasn't really that complicated of a hand. It was a cold deck that played itself. That is why the river action went so fast.

But the guy would not let I go and he started to make it personal in his commentary. I consider calling over the floor, but I just let it go and decide I will not let him get to me over a simple, harmless mistake.

A few hands later another player raises preflop, seat 5 reraises, the other player goes all in and seat 5 calls. I tell both players to turn their hand over. The other player turns over QQ, but seat 5 refuses to turn his hand over. I ask him a couple of times and he refuses saying that I have made it clear that all in hands do not need to be shown.

I call over the floor who tells seat 5 to expose his hand. He keeps arguing that I have said all ins do not need to be exposed. I give the floor the highlights of the previous controversial hand. The floor says that it doesn't matter what happened on previous hands. All in hands need to be exposed.

Seat 5 sheepishly turns over Ah 3h.

I deal out the board, the Queens hold up. I count up the other players all in and tell the amount to seat 5. He counts out the chips (which represents a large percentage of his stack) and literally throws them at me. A few hit me in the hands and a few go flying off of the table behind me. I call the floor back over (who had inexplicably walked away knowing there was a troubled customer at my table). I tell him that this player threw chips at me and that there are chips down on the floor behind me. Seat 5 says that they just slipped out of his hand. Everyone else at the table starts to speak up telling the floor he threw them forcefully at me. Floor tells the player he cannot throw chips and he cannot abuse dealers. Seat 5 continues to say that the chips slipped, but quite a few of the other players speak up and call bullchit. Floor calls over the TD. TD tries to collect all of the chips and get the other player paid. He then tells seat 5 that he has a minimum of a one round penalty for throwing chips and that he is going to review the tape and based upon his review he may be kicked from the tournament. Seat 5 continues to complain but the TD walks away.

I verbally note where the button is and start to deal the next hand while not letting seat 5 have his cards. A few minutes later the TD comes back and tells seat 5 that he has been booted from the tournament, his chips removed from play, and he is banned from playing poker on the premises for at least a month. Seat 5 walks away without saying a word.

Later, after I get tapped out I go over to talk to the TD. I explain in great detail what happened in the previous hand. I tell him that I screwed up the previous hand by not realizing that seat 9 was all in when he called. He then tells me that it doesn't matter. When he reviewed the tape, it showed that seat 5 literally threw the chips over hand at me and even if I made the worst mistake it the world, seat 5's response was inappropriate.

Strange night (more below). I feel bad because I did genuinely make a mistake by allowing a hand to be mucked that should not have been mucked. However, I also know that it is a minor mistake and if that is the worst mistake I make that day, then I have had a pretty good day of dealing. I have absolutely no idea why this set seat 5 off. I have never saw seat 5 before (to the best of my knowledge). My mistake was genuine and not intentional. My mistake was also relatively harmless (seeing the cards of a player who is busted out of the tournament isn't going to provide much information for the future, he is out of the tournament).

Whatever.
12-07-2021 , 05:03 AM
Right after break I tap into a $5/$10 no limit cash game. Our $5/$10 games are time collection games and are not raked. As a result, we allow the players to get away with all sorts of crap that we would not allow at lower limit games. We allow double (and triple) straddles. We allow the players to run it multiple times. We will allow pretty much anything as long as all players agree to it, plus we treat it as players are experienced so that if they don't want something everyone else wants, they can speak up for themselves. We don't strictly enforce the rules to protect the shy person unwilling to speak up. If eight players at the table want a mandatory straddle, we expect the 9th player to speak up if he doesn't want to agree to a mandatory straddle.

One time at the table we allowed a 10th player to play an inexperienced player's discards if he wanted to. Everyone else was ok with it so it went.

Another time when I was dealing the game, two players got to the river, it was clear one had a missed flush draw so he wasn't going to call a decent sized bet of the other player. He jokingly said that he would call if they could see an ocean (a sixth board card). The bettor quickly agreed and after some thought the other player said sure. So I called the floor and he let them see a 6th board card (flush still missed).

So when dealing this game I always have to be aware of odd or non-standard situations. A dealer cannot just strictly follow procedure because they will occasionally deviate.

So that night right after my tournament debacle, I am dealing in the $5/$10. There is a hand between player A (a reg) and another player I had never seen before. It gets to the river and player A puts out a decent sized bet, the other player thinks for a bit and puts out a raise. Player A agonize for a minute or so and then mucks his hand. The cards slide towards the muck. They land barely touching the muck. Even though they are touching, it is still quite clear which cards they were. Normally I would push the further into the muck and make them indistinguishable, but I have learned that this is $5/$10 so I don't.

As I am pushing the pot to the raiser, both players start to discuss the hand. Player A (who folded) says he had a really good hand, pretty much a monster given the board. The other player says he doesn't believe him. So player A offers up a $100 bet to the other player on what his hand was. The other player agrees so I "unmuck" Player A's cards. They are nothing close to what he claimed. Player A pays off his bet but quickly starts complaining to me for showing a mucked hand. I look at him with a confused look on my face.

I finish my down and as I am leaving, Player A comes over to talk to me away from the game. He says that he was obviously bluffing and was relying on me to follow procedure and clearly muck a hand that was folded. I tell him that normally I would, but at that game I do things different because there are always exceptions.

He is clearly angry with me for not following proper procedures, but he will also be one of the players asking for a double straddle or what not.

It was a night where I simply could not win.
12-07-2021 , 10:17 AM
Don't know what type of regulations your room plays under, but some of that stuff would never be allowed in our room regardless of the desire to give players some leeway. They violate our gaming commission rules. As for not mixing the cards into the muck, that seems like a big mistake whether its a time raked game or not. We allow larger time rake games some additional perks like unlimited straddles. But the rest of that stuff seems like bs.

I remember when we opened our new room we had an initial conflict between players who wanted to treat the larger game like it was a private game where players can do what they want, and management said no, it is a public game, not a home game, and so must adhere to gaming commission and room rules. Management held firm and eventually the players quit complaining.

ButI guess if a room isnt constrained by certain regulations and wants to let players do what they want, that's just a business decision for them to make. ,
12-07-2021 , 11:20 AM
I'm not saying he works there .. but welcome to Resorts World. I probably saw 5 things in a casino poker room that I'd never seen before in just a 3 day span in October. IMO it was 'amazing' that whenever there was something out of the ordinary going on that a Floor magically appeared without being called over, just to monitor the spot. It was truly a surprising, yet wonderful, experience. GL
12-07-2021 , 12:27 PM
Damn Jim - I was just about to comment on how well your TD handled the situation then I read about letting the big players run the show like that. I understand giving some leeway and even changing rules (through proper channels) to accommodate them, but not having any rules at all is messed up.

Not showing the cards is a pretty minor mistake. This job can suck sometimes.

      
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