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08-28-2019 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cashed
Dry wit is dry.

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I'm pretty sure you missed the point of quadstriker's post.
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08-28-2019 , 09:22 AM
Audition games are $1-$5 Stud 8, 4/8 O8. 1/2 NL, and some form of PLO. On split pot games, I've been following the guideline of "Pay high, kill high, pay low, kill low", but I have a question on that. I generally go "pay pot, move dot, take rake, muck hand & board". So do I kill the last hand I awarded money to immediately, or do I do it after taking care of BTN and rake?

My cheque handling & counting is good.
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08-28-2019 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
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Originally Posted by cashed
Dry wit is dry.

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Originally Posted by bolt2112
I'm pretty sure you missed the point of quadstriker's post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7euHrSaXlpw&t=24

No one remembers Daniel's take? Huh. Short memories.
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08-28-2019 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Thamel18
Audition games are $1-$5 Stud 8, 4/8 O8. 1/2 NL, and some form of PLO. On split pot games, I've been following the guideline of "Pay high, kill high, pay low, kill low", but I have a question on that. I generally go "pay pot, move dot, take rake, muck hand & board". So do I kill the last hand I awarded money to immediately, or do I do it after taking care of BTN and rake?
Order does not matter. I'm not even sure how I do it.

You'll want to practice your up pitch along with calling out pairs, bring in, and first to act.
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08-28-2019 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Thamel18
I generally go "pay pot, move dot, take rake, muck hand & board". So do I kill the last hand I awarded money to immediately, or do I do it after taking care of BTN and rake?

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As was mentioned the order isnt critical, but I do it in this order:

push pot, muck hand and board, move button, take rake. I prefer that order since I get my hands on the players cards immediately after I take my hands off the pot anyway. So I sweep the cards into the board and muck them together. Then I move button as my hands are still over the table, and lastly drop rake which takes my hands off the table. It would seem odd to me to leave the winning hand exposed on the table while my hand comes off the table to pull the rake slide.

The exception I make to that is if I am pushing a large pot to the button player, and the button is in the way. Then I will move the button to the next player as I push the pot. But it would really feel weird to me to push a pot to seat 2, then leave his cards while I move the button from seat 8 to 9.

But I guess that's just personal preference. I vaguely recall sometime being taught that dropping the rake was the last thing to do before gathering up the cards to put in the shuffler, but I cant remember for sure. Either way, that's my sequence.

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08-28-2019 , 10:15 PM
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Any tips/pointers on how to handle/train for that?
My number one tip is to smile. Not kidding. You're going to be in a group of auditionees who generally don't, and you stand out by looking friendly. Smile when the boss is addressing the group. Smile when you're getting in the box. Smile and say thank you when you're done.
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08-28-2019 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadstriker
My number one tip is to smile. Not kidding. You're going to be in a group of auditionees who generally don't, and you stand out by looking friendly. Smile when the boss is addressing the group. Smile when you're getting in the box. Smile and say thank you when you're done.

This is very good advice.
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08-28-2019 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Reducto
You'll want to practice your up pitch along with calling out pairs, bring in, and first to act.
I've played a lot of stud 8 in and many places as I can find, and nowhere did the dealers regularly call out pairs. Thought that was just for low limit stud high.
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08-29-2019 , 03:58 AM
Hi my name is Dylan, ive looked for this everywhere but couldnt find anything.

Can you guys help me decide if it is better to be a poker dealer or a blackjack/craps/other tables dealer here in Vegas please!? i played for over 10 years and im looking for a stable job now (0 experience or skill on anything other than poker). i already paid 1k for my poker dealer school but im having 2nd thoughts before the class starts, i kinda rushed into it.

Between those 2 options, which one pays better mid/long term? thank you! im sorry if this is the wrong place to post this
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08-29-2019 , 04:49 AM
Poker dealer is a more ethical job imo. I think table games might make slightly more, but with more variance.
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08-29-2019 , 05:27 AM
If you’re a table games dealer at a nicer Vegas casino you will make much more than a poker dealer.
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08-29-2019 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DFebras
Hi my name is Dylan, ive looked for this everywhere but couldnt find anything.

Can you guys help me decide if it is better to be a poker dealer or a blackjack/craps/other tables dealer here in Vegas please!? i played for over 10 years and im looking for a stable job now (0 experience or skill on anything other than poker). i already paid 1k for my poker dealer school but im having 2nd thoughts before the class starts, i kinda rushed into it.

Between those 2 options, which one pays better mid/long term? thank you! im sorry if this is the wrong place to post this
$1k? Since you have seen it done 10,000 times can you just read a rule book and dealer training book from Amazon (and there are also dealer training YouTube videos) and then audition and get the job? No way all the bad WSOP dealers actually went to poker dealer school.

Big things to consider for table games are: can you stand the cigarette smoke, body mechanics standing all day, and will you be dealing in a place where you keep your own tips or share tips? Most places pay craps dealers more than other table games.

Dealing poker seems so much easier and better than table games. Also in poker you get to switch tables more, unlike table games where you might have the same unpleasant customer for your whole shift.
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08-29-2019 , 07:40 AM
Just finished up 'Straight Flush' .. a book about the Absolute Poker story from begining to end and how 2+2 was instrumental in uncovering some of the issues their site was having along the way.

It's pretty old news of course, but still an easy read and from a viewpoint on the inside that most may not know about.

Don't pay for it ... should be at the library. (Things we find when our kids are browsing.) GL
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08-29-2019 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DFebras
Hi my name is Dylan, ive looked for this everywhere but couldnt find anything.

Can you guys help me decide if it is better to be a poker dealer or a blackjack/craps/other tables dealer here in Vegas please!? i played for over 10 years and im looking for a stable job now (0 experience or skill on anything other than poker). i already paid 1k for my poker dealer school but im having 2nd thoughts before the class starts, i kinda rushed into it.

Between those 2 options, which one pays better mid/long term? thank you! im sorry if this is the wrong place to post this
If location isn't a problem many table games dealers earn 100k+ in SoCal, and poker dealers do well but not quite that high. We keep our own and Las Vegas is mostly pool although like Malucci said some of the nicer joints can be good, just don't know how good.
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08-29-2019 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I've played a lot of stud 8 in and many places as I can find, and nowhere did the dealers regularly call out pairs. Thought that was just for low limit stud high.
I've only dealt it at WSOP and occasionally on the tournament circuit and we were taught to do that. I guess it varies.
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08-29-2019 , 12:53 PM
Watched some of a WSOP stud final table to get a sense of what was wrong with my upcard pitch. Was treating it like a completely different thing, when it's literally just turning the card over 180* and pitching it. Unfortunately couldn't hear how the dealer was calling hands and/or who was first to act.
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08-29-2019 , 03:20 PM
Bring in street the lowest card by suit brings in (spades > hearts > diamonds > clubs, so deuce of clubs is the lowest suit). After that, the highest hand acts first on every subsequent street.
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08-29-2019 , 04:02 PM
"It's not the first deuce to the left of the button?" he asks, never having played a hand of stud in the casino. That's how we always did it in the home game.
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08-29-2019 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I've played a lot of stud 8 in and many places as I can find, and nowhere did the dealers regularly call out pairs. Thought that was just for low limit stud high.
That's how I was trained.

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08-29-2019 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AzOther1
"It's not the first deuce to the left of the button?" he asks, never having played a hand of stud in the casino. That's how we always did it in the home game.
There is no button in casino stud games.
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08-30-2019 , 10:58 AM
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There is no button in casino stud games.
I think that was the funny part.
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08-30-2019 , 12:45 PM
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There is no button in casino stud games.
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I think that was the funny part.
We have a 20-40 Stud-8 game that goes fairly regularly in our room. They play 8 handed and the average age at the table is about 71 years old.

This game is played with a button which determines who has to ante for the table each hand, but the dealer always begins pitching the cards to the 1 seat.
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08-30-2019 , 02:45 PM
<nitpick>Mexican poker has a button.</nitpick>
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08-30-2019 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bolt2112
We have a 20-40 Stud-8 game that goes fairly regularly in our room. They play 8 handed and the average age at the table is about 71 years old.

This game is played with a button which determines who has to ante for the table each hand, but the dealer always begins pitching the cards to the 1 seat.
Mind telling me what room that is in? If you don't want to announce it, PM is ok, but I just love that game.

I have done it that way in home games but never seen it in a casino. Figured a single player and would cause problems / arguments when people were walking.
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08-30-2019 , 04:51 PM
Audition update: We got it!

I get to the room 15-20 minutes early, with no other black & whites in sight. I go to the area where I'll be auditioning, with dealers-in-training playing in a mock game with the boss on the table providing guidance. On a couple other tables, trainees are working on their pitch with the Shift Manager, who notices me. He comes over, I introduce myself, then wait for a bit. I hear some noise from the mock game. There must have been some sort of cooler/monster hand, and the guy in the box audibly laughed a decent bit. He gets chewed out for it.

My turn comes shortly after. We start with some basic skills, like cutting out a full stack of redbirds and shipping it to a player, and spreading the deck out. I had forgotten how constricted the rake area really is on this table, especially with the Bravo screen just a couple inches from the table bank. Then it's time for some real poker. I deal a couple hands of NL, a few of O8, and a couple of PLO8. I do reasonably well, with a few weak moments here & there, but also some strong recoveries. I felt like it was not quite a passing audition at the time. I clap out, thank everyone, and go to have a 1 on 1 chat with the boss.

He commends me on my improvements from 5wks ago, and notes some places where I need to practice up a bit more, like calculating side pots using the shortcut method, and making sure to rake from the correct pot when the main pot is short of the rake cap. Also, making sure to prompt the action after dealing a street, which I was probably ~50% consistent on. He mentions possibly hiring me as a brush, but says that I'm pretty much almost there as a dealer, and as long as I practice up, he'll take a shot on me. I thank him for the opportunity, and for letting me audition previously & providing a lot of helpful advice on what to work on.

Since it's a FL room with "designated player" table games, I'll also be studying up on UTH, DJ Wild Stud, 1 & 3 Card Poker, and Fortune Pai Gow. I'm very excited, hopefully it doesn't fall through.
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