I think he's getting at the dealer yelling from the tourney table that its over during the push and then the DR pulling him out in the middle of the push so that the FTer at the busted tourney table can take his place in the rotation when realistically the FTer should have to stay and close the tourney table and get rerouted on the next push.

Not really. In this instance, NYC is pushing a cash game as a tournament table being pushed by a full time dealer is breaking. The full time dealer decides to take his name off the EO (as is his right in this room, apparently) then gets NYC's spot instead of going to a break. NYC is pleading his case to get that one more cash game since the FT dealer has more opportunities. Doesn't effect the tournament money at all.

/nitty explanation.

This is the legitimate issue. The room management doesn't care about your downs. The room wants to minimize dealing hours, that means forcing people (PT) out when they can and as soon as they can.

Then why are they having FT dealers work OT often?

No.

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The room management doesn't care about our downs. The room management does care about full-time dealers whining, so their solution when full-time dealers whine is to let them get their way.

This is not uncommon in this room. Go back several hundred posts and you'll see one from me where I complained about having the dealers do up-downs for just an hour (this literally meant they would miss one down on break) so I could get a part timer a couple more downs before he headed home. They whined and complained and I got my wrist slapped for my efforts.

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NYC, I feel you on a personal level, but on a logical level, I feel like your projection of how you'd feel in their shoes isn't fair to the FT guys that you want to bite the bullet to make your PT life easier. You want them to take a voluntary pay cut to make your life better. It wasn't their decision to have you drive an hour each way for a part time position where you are promised nothing.

It sounds like a bum deal, obviously, and if you don't like it anymore, you should quit. Expecting other full time employees to take a hit for you out of the kindness of their hearts is expecting a bit too much. They don't owe you anything. And this is coming from a person that will stay or go from a shift when other people want to go or stay, even if it costs me a little money. I value my time spent 'not working = not getting paid', but I would never expect everyone else to. It's nice to think everyone is on the same team but work and money is work and money. It's not personal.

That's taking money directly out of the FTers pockets.

And I would be surprised if the bean counters are ok with the extra hours of payroll.

When the casino doesn't have any part timers left because they **** on all of them, they can enjoy the benefits of being penny-wise and pound-foolish.

I'd like to thank all the people who work in rooms where they don't force people out at all for not posting to at least point out that I'm not exactly being unreasonable so instead I have to read a bunch of people screaming how unfair I am to the poor full-timers.

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These people are pointing out how the business works. This is the reality. We all understand how you wish it were more fair, but life and the casino business are not fair.

Two-week vacation in the books. First night back, first down:

Had to warn a player on his tablet that he "swipes left" when the action gets to him, it may be misinterpreted as a check.

I’ve always said if you wanted fair, you picked the wrong industry.

NYC - your complaints are pretty valid, but all those FTers probably went through the same stuff as a PTer. It’s just the business. Poker rooms don’t make much money, and even one extra dealer for a hour adds up wage wise.

If I were to guess, and it is just a guess, I would say the frequency that occurs has been over-stated. At the same time, I have had situations where I had to pay overtime because games went longer than anticipated.

YTF: (spreads same flop as last hand) That looks familiar.

PLAYER: (looks up, sees flop) That looks familiar.

YTF: That sounds familiar!

You think poker players are doing a lot of swiping LEFT?

Well played, sir!

Making a swiping motion in either direction when it's your turn to act could be interpreted as a check.


After reading this I've noticed it happening several times. =)

This guy was. Blindly, rapidly. Maybe he had a different app open?

(I met my girl on POF, before Tinder was born. Never been on Tinder, so I presumed "left" was the "gimme gimme gimme" move.)

Or maybe he's as bad at Tinder as he is at poker?

He could have just been flipping through his photo album or something. I've never even used those dating apps but I've seen people sit there and do nothing but swipe right as fast as the app will allow. Might as well just get one of these

Realization I had tonight why poker is dying:


Players are very unfriendly and unwelcoming to new players to the game. Which is is sooooo stupid because they are literally pushing away the new player who will most certainly give away their money.

Had a lady at my table tonight that didn’t understand what a “check” was. (Check or bet).
She’s in every hand calling to the river with bottom pair and the rest of the table is getting annoyed and pissed because she takes a bit longer to make a decision.
The hell is wrong with people? This is how you make money in poker. From inexperienced players.

Something needs to change. Sitting at your first live poker table as an experience is very overwhelming and intimidating. We need new players wanting to come back.

If anyone knows of any casino hiring dealers (I need 30 hours a week to move from LV), please send me a PM.

Thank you from the unemployed,

You are very right, but the chances of poker players as a whole acting in their best interest in this manner is very zero.

And unfortunately the games where people will treat them with respect and help them out are usually not games where beginners sit.

This is nothing new. I was treated so poorly my first time in a cardroom, it's remarkable I ever went back a second time.

Then again, I was pretty degen in those days, so it's not THAT surprising.

Not sure poker is "dying", tho. We're hosting a regional $1k tourney this weekend, $500k guaranteed, so we were obv hoping for at least 500 entries. We passed that already, before today's Day 1c...and 1c is always bigger than 1a or 1b.

Dealers play a part in this too. A lot of time they will get angry because they are not receiving the instant payoff of $1 after every pot, but fail to realize that it's needed for these players to keep coming back in order for us dealers to keep getting hours. Eventually these players will catch on and usually give in to the tipping culture. Also, I've seen dealers be super strict on a low limit game on some trivial rule in order to appease to the crabby rules police regs. IMO let it slide one time, explain to the new player that usually this is not allowed, but I'll let it slide this time, then explain to them why it's a rule. If an a-hole reg has a problem with it, well they can f*** right off.