"Is it on me?"

"You don't have cards."

We now have to pay .75 for lemon wedges in the EDR and there's no more free honey. First world problems, I know, but it's all part of a larger shift of management treating staff worse.

We've always participated in the local xmas parade. Not this year. The bright idea they came up with was to ask employees to donate money to be used to buy things for a silent auction (and then have us be the bidders?) so they can donate the proceeds to charity (tax write-off?).

This kind of stuff is small but guaranteed to annoy employees. No one likes to feel they worked hard all year only to get nickel and dimed by their employer for a few lousy dollars so some bean counter gets his bonus.

A search for ICBM got no results?

https://www.google.com/search?q=ICBM...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Anyone have tips for flooring a big private game? It's in the casino but not in the poker room.

Talk to the guy who hired the casino to host it. He'll tell you how he wants the game run...then tell HIM that you'll do your best, but state regs are always paramount.

In a private game .. Floor = Host .. and you essentially are hired help by the real host, who you should be having a conversation with before things get rolling so you can set the correct tone of the game. During that conversation you can then make sure that you explain how any 'requests' may violate casino regulations. You can also get a scouting report on the Players and how they may need to be handled per the host's request. (See the first half of Molly's Game!!)

There is definitely added responsibility since food/beverage may fall onto your shoulders as well. I'm assuming since it's in a separate room that you will be required to stay in the room, which will imply to the Players that you're the 'go to' person. GL

Line check:


Heads up on the river. Player A goes all in. Player B tanks. While tanking, he shows his hand to the player next to him who already folded in a "can you believe this spot?" manner. Player B eventually folds. Dealer exposes the hand for all to see, per SOSA.

Another player then says that the hand should have been dead the moment he showed it to the neighbor (even though the neighbor had already folded)


Under current TDA rules, what should happen here?

The hand is never killed. At worst the floor may give the player a penalty after the hand is completed. As a dealer I'll at least let them know they can't expose their hand to anyone until after they've acted. I may call the floor if management wants us to be strict about that kind of stuff or if it's a repeated issue. If he or the neighbor try to start discussing what he should do I'll speak up and try to stop it immediately.

I really hate where I deal right now and if quitting were an option, I probably would. Honestly if this keeps up, I may quit just because I am not making any money.

I deal two days a week the most I can handle as I approach 50 years old with a 40-hour job and a 30-something wife who likes me to spend time with her and our son. I always knew the casino I work at was rigged for full-timers and part-timers got table scraps and it's always been a bone of contention for me but tonight was just pathetic even by my room's standards.

The last few weeks I have been getting forced out. There have been days where I literally dealt one tournament table and was told to go home. I don't keep track of every day I work but I managed four hours this past Wednesday and five tonight (more on that). Looking at my checks I can see the past pay period I worked 12 hours in three shifts. The pay period before that? Three shifts, 12.5 hours. Before that? Two shifts, 9 hours. Before that? 15.25 hours in three shifts. Just eyeballing it and in nearly two months I am lucky to average half a shift.

When you factor in that I drive no less than an hour and 60 miles each way (when coming from my FT job add 20 minutes and ten more miles) it gets old real fast.

Tonight I was thinking I might stick around for a while - the room was busy by our standards and a few dealers were on the EO. I arrived at 6:45 PM and I came back from break at 11:30 PM about to push into a cash game. Saw that the tournament table was about to pop. I tap and as the dealer is finishing her hand the tournament ends. Immediately a FT dealer who scratched his name off the EO and the dealer in the game scream "Tournament is over, table is breaking!" So the floor person looks at me and says "You're done."

I tried to appeal to his sense of fairness: I was about to push in, there were a handful of ways that I would deal with that as a floor. Let someone get a cheap down closing the tournament table (which would take ten minutes to pay out and close anyway). Have everyone do what they should even if it means a full-timer who will be staying until 4 AM and making $400+ misses one down so I can *still* be forced out two and a half hours early but at least get one last cash down in.

No. Heaven forbid I get one down to make me feel less like crap.

I am going to discuss this with the poker room manager but it's pretty useless. This room just craps all over part-time dealers. The full timers have it so great and they know they can sign the EO whenever they ant. The D/R who forced me out today has told me "I really don't care about part timers." He's glad they're there when he signs the EO but he sure takes glee forcing us out or seeing us forced out when he wants to make money.

Rule number one is that in the name of fairness you will sometimes rule against the letter of the rules. That could easily have applied to me tonight. If I was flooring - hell, if I was a full-timer who knew I was gonna be there as long as I damn well wanted - I get a dealer in my situation that one down. One down. I still only work 5.5 hours but I leave with over $100 in my box instead of $85, I leave feeling it was worth me going there, it's worth the drive home, I feel respected and appreciated and my work ethic is something to be proud of, not scorned.

I would kill to find a room closer to me who would let me work 1-2 shifts a week. I don't even need eight hours, I always said it's a PT job, it I get six that's okay. But now I am begging for table scraps and not even getting them and it's depressing since I have been there for four years.

Apologies for blasting this out there. I didn't want to put it on my Facebook because I have a bunch of co-workers there - a few here too, but whatever, I needed to vent.

Lol this is not “Rule Number One”.

Certainly a reason you’re not flooring is because you think this is Rule Number One.

Like, literally the first thing, dude. Hope you're not a floor.

I know you're frustrated, but arguing with this guy about your use of rule number one in this spot isn't going to go anywhere if you're going to quote TDA rules instead of just saying you were hoping the manager would use common sense.

Crappy spot dude. Sounds like a long drive for not much of a pay off. Is there anything else you can pick up closer to home that isn't a dealing job?

Sounds like a problem that's a bit like playing poker for a living i.e. there are better options out there. Someone who can deal good has skills they can leverage elsewhere.

I can't imagine going to deal after working a full time job.

I used rule number one as a metaphor for saying they should have use common sense and merely provided evidence that it was in fact rule number one.

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Called the poker room manager. He agreed with me on a lot of things and understood where I was coming from. I feel better at least that he heard me.

Not sure if the culture of the room will change but all I am asking is before you force someone out, see if you can swing them an extra down before you do. Most of the time you can do this without hurting a full-timer from getting their hours.

Worst case is the full-timer gets one less down. They still (in our room) can work 10 hours and put $400 in their box. I don't begrudge them that, I am fine not even working 8 hours and I am not demanding we have everyone do up-downs if nobody is on the EO (which some rooms do as you guys know). Just asking for a little common sense and respect for myself and other part-timers. That's all.

That has to do with the game. Not the dealers who are low on the seniority totem pole and are super bummed out they’re not getting enough hours. You’re talking about giving someone an extra tournament down which drags down everyone’s actual tournament down rate. People will flip out over that and won’t be wrong to do so.

In a room where people have seniority and you don’t, it’s unfortunate but they have very clear rules about who gets forced out, and who gets to stay if they want to. If these rules are violated, people complain and you have an HR issue and the floor could lose his or her job. Even if a dealer with no seniority has only worked 5 hours that week and is super disappointed that he gets forced out early.

Yes it does. I was using it as a metaphor. Sorry that wasn't clear.

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I honestly don't know what TDA says about this, but if it's a cash game it probably doesn't matter. SOSA if someone requests it but otherwise NBD. Warning in a tournament. Unless the house rules call for it, it should not be a dead hand though.

To NYC:

There are reasons that management has rules that force out dealers and how they go about it. You think that them giving you "one more down" doesn't mean anything but that may not be 100% accurate. And it may not have anything to do with the FT dealers. It may have to do with the finance department emailing the manager every week about budgets and overtime and profit margins. I totally get that it's frustrating. I get frustrated myself every Monday when we have 3 dealers too many scheduled and I have to call 2 of them to take the night off. It's good that you got a conversation with the manager. It's probably likely that they are scheduling too many dealers based on the business needs and maybe that can get addressed. But otherwise, it is a world where the FT'ers have the first rights to getting their proper hours if they want them.

I hope your situation gets better or if not, you find alternative part-time work closer to home.

All efforts are made for full-time dealers to get their 40 hours. This doesn't mean that all efforts have to be made to get them every last down while doing so.

In many rooms they will go to up-downs all night if they have to in an effort to avoid forcing people out. I have seen posts in here that they'll even have double breaks. I am not asking for that kind of switch. I am asking for common sense and fairness to be applied.

We have a small room that shuts down at 5 AM most nights but runs 24 hours on weekends. Full-timers who make it until the end get to work 10 hours at the least and often they will lock that dealer in for the last few hours. They do just fine. If I was a FT dealer I would have zero problem "losing" a down or two for a part-timer because it would be an inconsequential difference in my pay and I also am aware that having part timers means I can hit the EO and not get stuck there for 10 hours (or more on weekends) if I wanted.

Also, most all of the FT dealers get overtime every week - it's there for them as long as they want it pretty much. Some hit the EO so they do not but I promise that nobody in the accounting department is saying anything. In fact they will still force a PT dealer out at the end of the week even if the FT dealer is on OT.

It would also be nice if the specific dual rate in question didn't take such glee in forcing people out after going on record saying he doesn't care about part timers. But like I said the poker room manager agreed with the bulk of my issues so we'll see what happens there.

As for Malucci I am sorry if I took you to task but I promise you that I never thought TDA rules literally applied to me. I use Rule One as a metaphor for a ton of things, most having nothing to do with poker.

Oh, and let me say that I wish someone would call me when I was on the way in and tell me not to bother coming in all of the times I literally got sent home after one dead spread tournament down (it has happened exactly like that twice in the past month or so). They're just deathly afraid of being short that they never do this.

Is your FT job working as a dealer in another room?

I agree with most of your response. No, it doesn't make any sense for them to force you out if there's OT going on. And your D/R didn't handle it properly. I completely understand the stigma that PT'ers get. Several years ago, I made FT. One of my fellow dealers said to me "Good for you, now you'll get some respect." Now I never felt disrespected by my casino, but the fact that he said that to me was telling.

However, this line of yours seems contradictory. "All efforts are made for full-time dealers to get their 40 hours. This doesn't mean that all efforts have to be made to get them every last down while doing so." Maybe I'm missing something.

Also, you say that if you were FT, you wouldn't care about losing a down to a PT here or there. Not that I'm saying you're lying exactly, but in a different situation you might think differently. And I bet there are some in your department that wouldn't mind if they let you have some downs. Others want as many hours as they can get. Everyone is different.

Again, good luck in making your situation better.