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07-06-2017 , 01:55 PM
Only of the players can't agree on their own.
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07-06-2017 , 03:10 PM
Seniority at the table never seemed to be a problem in the days before Bravo. The button or "who asked first" can work, the problem I see with it is players new to poker might not think they need not speak up and say "I want first seat change" so it favors regulars. When two rules are equal in protecting the integrity of the game, I always prefer the one that does not favor regulars.
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07-06-2017 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RR
Seniority at the table never seemed to be a problem in the days before Bravo. The button or "who asked first" can work, the problem I see with it is players new to poker might not think they need not speak up and say "I want first seat change" so it favors regulars. When two rules are equal in protecting the integrity of the game, I always prefer the one that does not favor regulars.
Sure but if seniority is the rule a new player with seniority might hear another player ask first and then think they are out of luck. Or the other way around if its "whoever asks first" the new player may think its based on seniority so they delay their request.

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07-06-2017 , 06:26 PM
But going by seniority the player that says "I wish I could go" gets the seat.
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07-09-2017 , 02:59 AM
WSOP $1K mega sat, 135 get paid $10k buy-in +$100, 139 left (136 gets $600). Seat 3 has about 41k, seat 4 has 120k, and 2 others at the table have under 10k and there are 13 other tables, level 500a/3Ksb/6Kbb. We are dealing HFH.

Seat 3 is the button. All fold to seat 3 who shoves (?????????????????), obvs (otherwise theres no story here) called by 4, 5 folds with a medium stack.
3 tables KK 4 tables A10, everyone yelling "why why why". You dont need to know the rest.

(this allowed a very short stack at my table to hit 136 when AI for 1/2 the ante-he was happy with it)

Sometimes I cant believe some of the things I see at the table.
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07-09-2017 , 08:46 AM
Live players not knowing how to play a satellite properly. Pretty believable.
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07-09-2017 , 04:26 PM
Also, for a lot of these players, this is their first time playing an all-day event. These are endurance events, and when your brain gets tired, you do drunk-looking things.

I know I can't do it. Give me a $35-buy-in, high-rake, over-in-a-few-hours donkfest every time.
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07-11-2017 , 04:16 AM
anything i need to know about getting a nevada gaming license?
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07-11-2017 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JHair
anything i need to know about getting a nevada gaming license?
In my experience you just need to fill out a form on a computer and I believe get fingerprinted using a machine, all of which you can usually do inside HR where you get hired. There is a small (compared to most states) fee. HR will give you all the info you need. I've never heard of anyone getting rejected, but I'm sure it happens. Have a list of prior jobs and addresses with you.

The license is good for 5 years and every time you get a new job in the state you go back to the website to update your info and pay a $5 transfer fee by credit card.

Some casinos do drug tests, some don't. That's not a license thing, it's up to the casino.

You don't get a physical license like you do in some states, it just stays on file where you work.
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07-11-2017 , 06:59 AM
15 hours, 25 downs, set up to B&T at ME Day 1c. Good day!

No knock outs by any hands I dealt, in fact only 2 AI's, and only one called (AA v JJ, AA held).
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07-11-2017 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DetroitJunkie
15 hours, 25 downs, set up to B&T at ME Day 1c
B&T
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07-11-2017 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
B&T


Bag and tag.
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07-11-2017 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DetroitJunkie
15 hours, 25 downs, set up to B&T at ME Day 1c. Good day!

No knock outs by any hands I dealt, in fact only 2 AI's, and only one called (AA v JJ, AA held).
Start kissing those babies so we can see you on stream as 'dealer of the year' baby ... GL
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07-11-2017 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JHair
anything i need to know about getting a nevada gaming license?
Well its a very difficult process ... largely because its not likely what you mean. A Nevada gaming license would let you own and operate a casino.

if you are looking for a gaming job at a a casino you actually don;t get a license. You register. And that is done at the point that you get hired, its a very simple process with automatic approval subject to being subsequently denied.
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07-11-2017 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
B&T
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Originally Posted by Phil9
Bag and tag.
I was guessing burn and turn.
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07-11-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
Well its a very difficult process ... largely because its not likely what you mean. A Nevada gaming license would let you own and operate a casino.

if you are looking for a gaming job at a a casino you actually don;t get a license. You register. And that is done at the point that you get hired, its a very simple process with automatic approval subject to being subsequently denied.
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Originally Posted by Reducto
In my experience you just need to fill out a form on a computer and I believe get fingerprinted using a machine, all of which you can usually do inside HR where you get hired. There is a small (compared to most states) fee. HR will give you all the info you need. I've never heard of anyone getting rejected, but I'm sure it happens. Have a list of prior jobs and addresses with you.

The license is good for 5 years and every time you get a new job in the state you go back to the website to update your info and pay a $5 transfer fee by credit card.

Some casinos do drug tests, some don't. That's not a license thing, it's up to the casino.

You don't get a physical license like you do in some states, it just stays on file where you work.
Ok this is what I thought, but just wanted to be sure before I head out there. I'm already licensed in another state so can't imagine I'd have any trouble in NV
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07-12-2017 , 09:13 AM
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Start kissing those babies so we can see you on stream as 'dealer of the year' baby ... GL
Wildly improbable, but thanks!
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07-13-2017 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Aurora Tom
The seat change buttons in our Omaha game got to be so stupid. Players would come and check in for the specific start time super early so they could get the 1st change button. Finally we decided to give them out to the top 3 cards of the button deal. These are the same guys who forced us to not allow washes/scrambles in the whole room because they kept taking advantage of dealers and floors.
I saw this happen at a Vegas casino in the 8-16 O/8 game and I was blown away, had never seen it before but I guess it takes the argument out of who gets the button.

When I was the floor and players were acting like children over seat change buttons in a stud game I just removed the buttons and if a seat open that multiple people wanted we drew high card.
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07-13-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
RR,

I've been meaning to ask you this, and it just now occurs to me that the folks reading this thread may find the question interesting:

Game breaks, and I need to suit the decks. I take the first deck, and start by separating it into two piles: the major suits in the first pile, spades and hearts; the minor suits in the other, clubs and diamonds. Speaking to other dealers, I hear this is pretty common approach.

This is a mighty boring task, and my always-active mind has to make a game out of it, so I''ve formed the habit of counting the streaks that occur. I think my record is about 9 cards in a row going into the same pile.

Any way, on to my question for the guy who teaches probability: what's the over/under for the longest streak I will encounter from any given deck? I figure there's a way to calculate it exactly, removing the guesswork, but that's beyond my meager education. The bookmaker in me figures it should be about 5.5, with the "over" a small favorite--not so much for the math, but because the public tends to bet "over" on everything, but especially when the total is a small number (see "Shortest TD of Game o/u 1.5 yds" and "Total Rushing Yards by Tom Brady o/u 0.5").
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Originally Posted by dinesh
I very highly doubt there is any closed form expression which is not way, way, way more complicated than you think.

If you simplify it to just be "What’s the chance of getting a run of K or more successes (heads) in a row in N Bernoulli trials (coin flips)?" the answer appears to be:



And in your case, each coin flip isn't independent, as the probably of continuing the streak gets slightly worse as the streak progresses.

A Monte Carlo simulation is probably your best bet for a practical answer.
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Originally Posted by RR
Ok, without simplifying to a binomial distribution, it is going to be a hypergeometric distribution. Somewhere I am sure I have a book that gives the cumulative distribution for the hypergeometric distribution. Then you can form a run statistic from that. A closed form solution should exist, but it won't be pretty.
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Math never is.
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Fellas, don't kill yourselves with that silly over/under, I only asked because I imagined it would be simple. After all, it can't be any higher than 26...
Friend recently sent me a short video on just how many combinations are possible to arrange a 52-card deck. I had no idea. Some take-aways from that:

--The number is higher than the number of atoms on earth.

--The number is so high, that every time you shuffle a deck, you are left with an arrangement that most likely has never before occurred in the history of playing cards.

So LOL me for thinking we could do that calculation quoted above because there is only a limited number of combinations.

And LOL the next guy to ask me to bring him a set-up.
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07-13-2017 , 04:43 PM
Are you guys spending more time lately dealing games that are not Texas Hold'em?

For the past 15 years, it's been nothing but hold'em. Maybe one Omaha down per night, five stud downs per YEAR.

But a few months ago, our biggest game, $40-80 LHE, switched to a mixed game. These players travel, and find themselves in mixed games while out of town, and for whatever reason (break up the monotony? get a bigger edge on hold'em-only suckers? get practice at the other games, since that seems to be what the future holds?), went to a mix of HOE. They recently added Big O, and love it so much, they play it TWICE per rotation.

Recently, we played with offering a $10-20 O/8. Our O/8 game was already $6-12 with a kill (kill goes to $10-20), so it's not much of a leap for our O/8 players (who don't want to play lower than $6-12 because they think the rake gets all the $$$). But this game quickly morphed into a HOE game. They, too, love Big O. And they even added Razz to the mix yesterday.

Yesterday (a Wednesday!), we had the $40-80 mix, the $10-20 mix, and TWO $6-12 O/8 games! MY BRAIN CAN'T TAKE THIS! I'm exhausted after half a shift. I'm doing all the stupid things dealers do that I *never* do. Put out a flop in a stud round the other night. That dropped a lot of jaws, I'm the guy who never does stuff like that. Can't read hands in O/8 or Big O to save my life. The other night I did one that I had never *seen* before, and I wasn't even dealing one of those silly games, this was in the daily NLHE donkfest:

UTG: (raises to 2k)

MP: Eighty-seven (puts out 8.7k, leaving himself about 10x that behind)

UTG: Is he all-in?

YTF: (looks at him like he's nuts) No. He made it 87.

UTG: Why did you throw him the all-in button?

YTF: (looks at him like he's REALLY nuts...then looks to see that yes, there is an all-in button next to the 8700).

UTG: That's what I'm saying! You're the guy who's usually on top of things! I didn't know *what* was going on!

So back to my question: are you guys dealing more non-hold'em games? Because if this is the future, I need to shape up or ship out.
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07-13-2017 , 06:11 PM
I got put on the mix game shift at the WSOP this year and it was rough. A good 75% of my time was dealing 20 game dealer's choice, 50k 8 game, horse, PLO and PLO8, various stud and draw, etc. I think I did ok but I found myself EOing a lot due to fatigue. My brain just gives out after a while and shuts off when I try to read the low. I'm hoping it gets easier over time.

Tournament numbers were up for PLO across the board and mostly down for NLH. Cash looked the same, lots of PLO and Big O, not as much NLH as I recall from previous years. Stud and draw events had a wide range of ages.

PLO and Big O seem to be taking over cash games in most of the casinos I travel to.

On the plus side, I did manage to deal a royal flush to someone in a 2-7 tournament. The look on the guy's face was amazing. It was a mix of joy, disappointment, and amusement all at once.
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07-13-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Friend recently sent me a short video on just how many combinations are possible to arrange a 52-card deck. I had no idea. Some take-aways from that:

--The number is higher than the number of atoms on earth.

--The number is so high, that every time you shuffle a deck, you are left with an arrangement that most likely has never before occurred in the history of playing cards.
Isn't it 52*51*50*49.....*3*2*1?

At least thats what my 20+ year old high school memory of finite math tells me
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07-13-2017 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RedRock
Isn't it 52*51*50*49.....*3*2*1?

At least thats what my 20+ year old high school memory of finite math tells me
which works out to about 8x10^67

and http://www.fnal.gov/pub/science/inqu...ons/atoms.html
says "Hi, the answer to your question by its very nature can not be terribly accurate. ......... I bet we can say that the number of atoms in the earth is something like 10^49-10^50. "
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07-13-2017 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RedRock
Isn't it 52*51*50*49.....*3*2*1?

At least thats what my 20+ year old high school memory of finite math tells me
Yes, but that number is a lot bigger than you think it is, especially when you can write it as simply as 52!
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07-13-2017 , 10:30 PM
We get a pineapple and a spread limit game maybe once every couple years. Our 20-40 Omaha high only game has started to really pick up steam. We always had 1 table going but now get at least 2, very often 3-4 when we're busy. We only have 10 tables.

We spread stud two times about 12-15 years ago. There were only me and one other dealer who knew the game, and the shift manager. No floors. I don't think we're licensed to spread it anymore.
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