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08-05-2015 , 03:35 PM
It is pretty common for managers to deal for a short time in case of some type of emergency. I think some managers / floors also deliberately deal a down every once in awhile just to make sure they are retaining their skills.
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08-05-2015 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Asterix811
As another player I, too, feel I've benefited from this thread. I suspect that many of the regular posters on here may not realize how much this thread can educate players who care about what dealers experience. I do feel that after reading this thread I've become a better player, from a dealer's standpoint.

When I first started playing 2/4 limit a few years ago I'd see the dealers tipped at least $1 on most hands and think to myself "Wow, these dealers must be making at least $35-40 an hour just for dealing cards! What a cushy job!" It didn't take long reading this thread to educate me about dead spreads, dealing to tourneys, tables where no one tips, forced frequent breaks. I read here about the difficulty of getting full time work, lack of benefits, and being forced to work holidays. I read here about dealers developing wrist and back problems.

After the discussion early in the thread about players moving the button, I never touch the button unless asked to by the dealer. After reading dealers' complaints about players in the 3 seat mucking their cards by pushing them a half inch forward I make sure i slide my cards far enough for the dealer to easily reach. Same with placing bets. When I'm in the 1 or 10 seat I keep my hands away from the table when the dealer is tossing the cards. I make sure I have the dealer's attention when I raise, so there's no confusion.

I've been reading/enjoying/laughing at/learning from this thread for a couple years and lately I have posted from time to time. While I understand that non-dealers are permitted to post I do try to respect the spirit of the employee breakroom feeling the thread was set up for. While I could easily be posting every day I've posted rarely and always tried to be respectful and on topic.

I hope people here don't think this post is too long or in any way inappropriate. I just wanted to let you all know that this thread has helped me to understand and appreciate what dealers go through on a daily basis, and that when I tip them after a hand it's because they've earned it and not just because I'm expected to, and if other players read this thread and take something like that away from it, then it may be serving a purpose other than just a place for dealers to vent.

Thanks.
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08-06-2015 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
Is it common for managers to deal?

One of the suits at my casino who used to be a dealer sat down and started dealing (I forget the reason, I think dealer cut their finger). Needless to say he was a very good dealer.
In our house blood = closed table. Having to take a **** THIS SECOND on the other hand (or tells the floor for any reason whatsoever, they can explain before they leave or before they come back), we'll get a floor to step in and get someone from the edr or somewhere with extra coverage or someone higher in the food chain to come watch. Only our floors and dealers can actually deal (assuming non bodily fluid related emergency).

I wouldn't say its common, but it def happens. When I worked at a shady place there was a guy who asked to get relieved early everyday multiple times (he said to pee but it was always to smoke) so one day management said no. He chose to piss himself.
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08-06-2015 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
Is it common for managers to deal?
At our casino, every floor used to be a dealer at one point. In addition to the emergency situations listed above, we routinely use supervisors to open games before a new dealer shift is coming in, or to start a push if we pulled a breaker to open a game. Even our Shift Managers have jumped in the box when necessary.

I'd say most of us floors deal at least 1 down a week at our place.
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08-06-2015 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
Is it common for managers to deal?
When it is necessary, yes. I deal sometimes when there is no breaker, need another table for tourney but short dealers, but usually just to give a push so I'll jump in the box for 5 min or so at a time.
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08-06-2015 , 09:41 PM
Similar to Uniden and Suit - my house will see senior managers jump in to either open or close a game (if the closing dealer is needed for an active table very quickly). Open a game usually is just to start the paper side of things...one or two hands max.

And me being a dual rate I'll rotate between the two jobs on a daily basis, if not less. It's always fun to make a significant ruling on a table and 15 minutes later to deal that game.
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08-07-2015 , 01:04 PM
Hi, current poker dealer working in the states, but I'm moving abroad, to the UK specifically. Was wondering if anyone had any insight on how much dealers typically make at casinos in the UK. If anyone could PM me any info they might have, I'd really appreciate it! I don't want to turn this into a who makes what thread, I just am really trying hard to find out.

Also anyone over there with any experiences or that wants to network, I'd really appreciate it. I'm moving the end of August to London with my family. Much thanks!
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08-07-2015 , 03:09 PM
Watching this country go down the toilet, I often daydream of abandoning ship and moving abroad, even though I've never been anywhere. And of course, England is always on the short list of countries that, you know, speak English. These daydreams always end abruptly, as I have no idea what the rules are on immigration/jobs and I'm not serious enough about this to actually follow through...

My point: keep us posted, C81. Maybe start a thread somewhere? I don't know where. But I'd be interested in following your journey.
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08-07-2015 , 03:37 PM
Canada81, if anyone does give you info, make sure they're specifically talking about London casinos, because there's a very big difference in income between London/provincial clubs.
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08-07-2015 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike_McDee
Canada81, if anyone does give you info, make sure they're specifically talking about London casinos, because there's a very big difference in income between London/provincial clubs.
This ^^

In Manchester, which is possibly the second biggest city in the U.K., dealers make minimum wage plus tips shared with all casino staff.

And ime U.K. Players rarely tip, at low stakes anyway.

This is in casinos run by Grosvenor, one of the top two operators in the U.K.
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08-08-2015 , 01:39 AM
Also keep in mind that many UK casinos don't have poker dealers. They have pit dealers that can deal poker. Some places tokes aren't allowed. I've only ever discussed pay with the Ritz in London and they told me they were paid a comfortable wage and tokes happened but were definitely not the norm (I think they were also pooled and management may have taken a cut). That was nearly a decade ago so take it with a grain of salt.
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08-08-2015 , 02:42 AM
I'm applying for specific poker dealing jobs at the Empire and Grosvenor casinos in London specifically. Will make a thread if I'm successful or even get to the interview process and help out with any info I can provide. Thanks guys!
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08-08-2015 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Canada81
I'm applying for specific poker dealing jobs at the Empire and Grosvenor casinos in London specifically. Will make a thread if I'm successful or even get to the interview process and help out with any info I can provide. Thanks guys!
You should also try the Hippodrome and Aspers
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08-10-2015 , 01:10 AM
First hand of the night, A4 rivers AK. Entire table finds this to be remarkable, and promptly remarks. For a full minute.

"When will you guys stop being amazed by this?", I ask the regs. "In baseball,the pitcher is always the favorite, but you guys don't exclaim when the batter gets a hit."
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08-10-2015 , 03:10 PM
For reasons that are beyond me, some people get some sort of satisfaction out of having the same 6 conversations over and over and over as their recreation.
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08-11-2015 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Quadstriker
For reasons that are beyond me, some people get some sort of satisfaction out of having the same 6 conversations over and over and over as their recreation.
Don't leave us hanging! Which conversations?
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08-11-2015 , 03:40 AM
Like the one about the dealer complaining about the players complaining about the same stuff over and over again! <3
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08-11-2015 , 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Guito
Okay I try not to be that story topper guy. But I've got to top that. Our room is literally surrounded by miles of farms. Pig farms, chicken farms, been farms, vegetable farms. The drive up smells like manure sometimes during the year.

Not a single player that has ever seen a fly in there has failed to mention how disgusting we are for having an occasional fly. Even after explaining where we're located, its because we choose to let them in. Even people I thought were reasonable people.

We don't have a fly problem or anything. Just the occasional one. In fact with the rotating door and airblast at the entrance I'd wager we have less (even discounting the vast size difference in sqft with the casino and their homes)
This story didn't top the previous one. Not even close.
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08-11-2015 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by EJXD2
This story didn't top the previous one. Not even close.
Please accept my sincere and humble apologies.
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08-12-2015 , 06:29 AM
Reading an NVG thread got me wondering. How are tournament tips handled where y'all work?

My place does the "bonus buy" method,where the players have an option to spend an extra 5-15 bucks (depending on the buyin/structure of the tournament) to get a certain amount of extra chips, and that bonus is the dealer/TD toke. I understand that logistically speaking, this might not be feasible for larger rooms with giant tournaments, but it seems much less prone to shady stuff from the staff/floor than taking 3% of the prize pool and distributing it according to a mystery formula.

Our TD still has a toke box on the table when he's doing the payouts, though he never actually begs or asks for anything extra.
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08-12-2015 , 11:31 AM
Every place I've ever worked has a toke box and upon cashing people out I say something neutral like "this is the dealer toke box if you'd like to leave something for our dealers." I've worked places that do the add on also. Basically shady people are gonna be shady. I'm pretty sure that cashing people out in a private room with no toke box helps contribute to shadiness though.
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08-12-2015 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by skydiver8
Reading an NVG thread got me wondering. How are tournament tips handled where y'all work?

My place does the "bonus buy" method,where the players have an option to spend an extra 5-15 bucks (depending on the buyin/structure of the tournament) to get a certain amount of extra chips, and that bonus is the dealer/TD toke. I understand that logistically speaking, this might not be feasible for larger rooms with giant tournaments, but it seems much less prone to shady stuff from the staff/floor than taking 3% of the prize pool and distributing it according to a mystery formula.

Our TD still has a toke box on the table when he's doing the payouts, though he never actually begs or asks for anything extra.
We have a part of the buyin withheld for staff. Part of that goes to dealers. Part to floors management and other staff.

In addition there is a toke box where players can leave tokes for dealers. That all goes to dealers. Since none of it goes to the floor they have no incentive to hustle tokes for us. Though I have heard some telling players that if they want to leave something for the dealers they can drop it in the box.
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08-12-2015 , 12:40 PM
Our place takes nothing out and no dealer addons. Players get informed at the start of the tournament and usually a player/player's ask or remind the table when they make the money tables. Staff, I'm sure mention it on occasion too but that's against policy.
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08-12-2015 , 08:21 PM
5/5 NL game a player has a $5 chip out for his big blind. Someone raises to $25. Action back to big blind and he removes his chip, adds a $100 chip and tosses both chips out.

Does your room enforce the oversized chip rule here or allow the raise? I personally think that the raise is okay here but our management is arguing about this currently and I'm curious what other rooms do.
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08-12-2015 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JDiamond364
5/5 NL game a player has a $5 chip out for his big blind. Someone raises to $25. Action back to big blind and he removes his chip, adds a $100 chip and tosses both chips out.

Does your room enforce the oversized chip rule here or allow the raise? I personally think that the raise is okay here but our management is arguing about this currently and I'm curious what other rooms do.
In our room that is a raise and I don't even understand why someone would think it is a raise.
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