Oh, that's still not really telling her what the rebuy rules are though.

I was figuring she already knew it was a rebuy tourney but wasn't sure if they were still in the rebuy period, if you got the same stack, how much it cost, something like that.

All of this was included.



Dealer said she couldn't be told anything that would affect the play of the hand.

You nits are killing me. OPTAH is about strategy, not rules.

PLAYER: How much is the bet?
DEALER: I can't tell you!

Yes, the answers to some questions WILL affect strategic decisions. Deal with it.

ytf is right

next you won't answer when the next break is, lest it be too far away and someone who has to pee will shove their stack in now rather than wait for the break

Yeah that is way over the top. Basic structure questions have to be allowed. Else what, if you can't see the clock you don't get to know what the blinds are?

Seriously. lol nits.

Come again? That should go in the absurd thinking thread.

Yes, tell her what the re-entry rules are. Oh my...

I do it this way. I ask for volunteers and if more than one volunteer then I move which ever one is higher on the list (player that has been playing longest). If no one volunteers then I move the player at the bottom of the list (newest player). I have never had a complaint. Yet.

Why is it unfair? Just because they want a certain donator at their table? They get to keep playing in a full game. That is what a must move is for, to keep the main game/s full. All "must move" means is that a player must move to the main game. Why does it matter what order the players move in?

Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules.

I love this! Basically accomplishes the same thing as I suggested, but more efficiently. It's truly perfect.

I agree with YTF and co. Imo that's not even a OPTAH violation. I believe one should be allowed to ask about the rules of the game/tournament.

I'll just chime in and agree with everyone above. It takes a really sick level of nit to think that a player has to stay in the dark when asking about tourney rules.

That's insane.
Yeah, that covers it.

Sure it is. Someone must move.
Move or go home? Nice.

That's why you do it like this.
I can't believe this isn't standard.

Standard everywhere I've played or dealt is the player at the top of the list (who ever has been at the table longest) is given a rack and told to go to the next table. I've never seen anyone given an option. And given the number of fish at these levels, the other players would throw a fit if we ever started asking for volunteers. The regs really want to sit at the table with certain other players.

I've seen two tables of the same stakes where one game will have small-ish pots and a bunch of miserable looking players just itching to make it to the main game. Meanwhile, at the main game it's an all-in fest with yelling and laughing, and stacks of chips splashing all over the place.

Sometimes the main table has the looser play, buy sometimes the second table is where the action is. In a room with a solid base of regs, the main game can be a boring nit-fest after 12 hours. When the lone remaining loose player finally busts or cashes out, you'll suddenly have five open seats. And sometimes the feeder game is so juicy, the people who have ground away big stacks on the main game don't want to leave, because they're all waiting for the action to move to their table. They don't want to recycle, because then they're limited by the buyin cap, and will be on the feeder game while the juicy player is moved to the main game.

The only way that this becomes a OPTAH violation is if the player doesn't ask and goes into the tank and then somebody helpfully volunteers that she can rebuy to encourage her to make the call.

But a player asking about the structure of the tournament isn't a problem

I was pretty sure the dealer was incorrect on this one. But TDA keeps adding rules that try to simplify things but are a little off. This was at Aria and the dealer was otherwise very good so I wasn't sure.

In my room players don't get an option. They can move or leave (actually they can play till their blinds if they are leaving)

But in my room it would be a big PITA to let them have a choice. In a room with only one Must Move game or only occasional must moves it might be manageable.

I can see it now in our Omaha game.

Floor: "Ok we have a seat in the main game" (this is silly because they already know)

Bob: Who is first on the list?

Floor: Larry is next up

Larry: I don't want to go

Mary: where am I on the list

Floor: your 8th on the list

Mary: I'll go

Fred: Well I'm ahead on her on the list and I want to go.

Bob: John (who is missing from the table with a missed blind and an absent button) said he wants to go.

Floor: Well he didn't tell me that. He's second on the list though.

Jim: Well i'm third on the list and I want to go. well wait who is next on the list to get into this game? maybe I don;t (as he wanders to the board to check the list......)

Mary: Are you sure I'm eighth? I've been here a long time?

Jim: (coming back) Yeah I want to go

everyone at the table: Who is next?

Jim: Its laura

Table: groan

Floor: Ok Jim go......

John shows up ..... Hey I'm second behind Larry if he doesn;t want to go I'll go,

Jim: He wasn't even here ..... thats not right.

Larry: Well .... wait if Jim leave sthen Laura takes his seat .... I'll go, but I just posted my blind I want to play my button first

Floor: Ok then its settled Larry will play his button and the move to the main game (as he walks off to deal wirh something else)

Now Larry plays his button and racks up, but decides to leave the poker room.... and now it begins all over again......

Didn't happen on my watch. But we also didn't make exceptions so nobody could complain that someone else once got a break.

I would just tell her the tournament rules and I don't think it's a violation of OPTAH. By the same token, asking if a player after an all-in can legally reraise or are bound to call or fold can influence whether someone calls or folds and that's actually discussing a rule affecting that specific hand, but that's pretty common and I have always answered that without controversy.

You're making it way too hard.


"Anyone want the main game?"

One guy raises his hand... give him some racks, tell the dealer to deal him out.

Three guy raise their hands... look at the list to see which of the three is higher on the list, send him.

No one raises their hand... send the newest player.

I find that Must Move seems like it removes a lot of the headaches that may arise due to the bumhunting nature of many of the regs. It ensures 100% consistency from all the floors and everyone knows exactly what to expect. I know this is a minor thing, but I feel it also levels the "fairness" of what players end up going to the main game as the main game players don't get to game select at that point while the people in the second game have much more control for their personal benefits.

Maybe my personal experience of watching management somehow bungle the list situations, but I've seen so many problems with lists that it just seems like for some floors, it's a headache they don't want to deal with and thus don't show a personal care if things are correct or not.


Steamraise has a good point in that it SHOULD be hassle-free though, so what do I know

I dunno, that story seemed fairly plausible to me.

Yeah. I realize that Steamraise's commentary seems so fundamentally basic and smart, but it's just not how it goes 90% of the time :-/ Like I said, maybe it's because the floor dealing with it isn't in total control of the situation, or is shaky on his list for some reason, but psandman's story is exactly my experience seeing it way too often.