I;m not saying that you should always let it go. I would prefer not to. But its just an acceptance that there are some situations where its not going to accomplish anything but getting you aggravated ....

The decade-long militarization of the police, institutional racism, and a capitalist trickle-up economy.

Google news search for Ferguson. tl;dr: Cops kill young unarmed black man, riots, mega-SWAT, media blackout.

Sorry steam I should have provided more info. Yes a box man on a dice game. And I was asked about the Ferguson ordeal.

OK that's where I got lost.

When I see Ferguson on a poker forum I'm thinking Chris (Jesus).

Thank god somebody else was as confused as me.

Ok I had a new one last night.

After i finished dealing out the cards player in 8 seat points to cards of the player in the 9 seat and says the 4 hearts was exposed. I didn't see it get exposed and it is now face down. Player in the 9 seat says he exposed it accidentally and he flips up and I announce the 4 of hearts was exposed.

9 seat call the blind there is a raise and two calls and then a player says .... "hey what was that business with the 4 of hearts." So I tell him the player accidentally exposed it, so I was making sure that everyone got equal information." Now the guy in the 8 seat says "It was exposed on the deal." which if that were the case would have resulted in being replaced ..... but now I have action ..... but if this is allowed to stand the player in the 9 seat got to have the option of keeping his card by misleading me about what happened (WHY THE **** THE 8 seat didn't say anything sooner is beyond me ... he is a regular in the room and knows what should have happened). Player 9 is now not denying it happened on the deal ... just saying that he felt responsible for it.

If I got that floor call: Once the 9-seat said he was responsible for it being exposed and in that time action occurred, he was keeping that card. The 8-seat had a chance to speak up before the action started and didn't. The hand continues as dealt.

His other card was a 4, or an A or 3 or 5 of hearts.

My attitude is if this guy wants to play a hand with everyone knowing what he has, more power to him.

Do you always give a player that option when a card is exposed on the deal?

The eight seat folded. He isn't even in the hand. If they were playing heads I would have no problem with the "* seat had his chance to object and didn't" line of thought. The problem is that it isn't fair to the other players in the hand that this player by misrepresentation got to have a choice to hold or draw.

Admittedly in this case he probably didn't do himself any favors by keeping the card. But what if it wasn't a 4. What he elected to hold an Ace?

Obviously not. I am responding to this specific situation. Do I really need a disclaimer for this?

Nothing much can be done at this point. Significant action has occurred and nobody spoke up when the player said it was his fault the card was exposed.

No. He was making the point that you rewarding the player for misleading the dealer by giving him an option that you wouldn't otherwise give him.

The time to be corrected from being misled passed with nobody speaking up. I fail to see any other ruling that makes sense under the circumstances unless you care to add a warning to the player over the issue.

Yeah you pretty much just have to let this one go. The 8 seat should have spoken up when the conversation started but chose not to. So the 9 seat calls based on the 2 cards he currently has and more people call behind. Too much action to take it back now.

I've seen that a large number of people don't know the rules regarding exposed cards on the deal. Unless I have reason to believe otherwise, I wouldn't think that the 9 seat was trying to freeroll.

Then why would he say that he exposed the card?

I have just come to realize that people are more often dumb instead of dicks at low stakes. Not that he couldn't possibly be angling but he could have tilted it up when he looked at it. It could have hit his finger on the deal. Psandman said he didn't see it get exposed so, in theory, this could be correct.

But the question becomes what would you do with the hand now? Do you force him to take a different card? He's already called the bet. Can he take the bet back if he doesn't like the new card?

I doubt that he was intentionally lying so he could get to keep his 4 hearts. But he could have been. But I also think that he knows what should have happened with the card, and when I didn't replace it he should have spoken up. But it is likely that he didn't speak up more because he didn't think it was big deal then because he really wanted to keep that 4.

The 8 seats silence is what really puzzles me. He is a regular, he knows what should have happened, and if he didn't think it was important why does he suddenly correct me after there has been action.

Yeah, just poker's adaptation of Hanlon's Razor:

I've never heard the phrase "trickle up", but i like it, and I'm going to use it from now on.

As poker dealers on average how many times do you have to call the floor per night whether it's a ruling or so and so missed x amount of blinds or something childish?

I hardly ever need to make a floor call. In the room I am in now with a lot of regs, maybe once a week and that's a high estimate.

I'm a floor usually watching over about 20 tables at a time. I would say I have to make a poker decision no more than twice per night. I deal with someone away from the table for too long maybe five times a night and something childish feels like a dozen times a night.

I just finished dealing 14 hours straight with 10 minute breaks every three 30-min levels. Some of the breaks are chip-ups too, so it's not fully relaxing on a few of them.

Back gonna be sore tomorrow for sure


quick question on what "the norm" is:

Situation 1: Call, call, call with oversized chip, raise, call....the person who the action is on asks for clarification about whether the oversized chip out there was a call or a raise. I think that's enough information and it's as basic as it sounds. Dont' add any fringe what-if's.

Can you tell the player the amount or if it's a call/whatever, or does that constitute prior action in a hand and should not be disclosed? (obviously people at the table will answer him, but what do you think the dealer's responsibility is at that point?).