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Old 04-25-2021, 10:54 PM   #101
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Re: Biggest Mistake You've Ever Seen A Dealer Make?

At Gila River, AZ, I noticed that the dealers were being way over-tipped, imo ofc. I'm talking a red bird tip at 8-16 limit as a regular thing. I won a pot, tossed out a white, and the dealer ignored it so I snatched it back and got a dirty look. I got to say 'I wasn't going to tip you at all and that's what you can expect from now on.'
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Old 04-26-2021, 08:40 PM   #102
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I would act the same way if I was a dealer never wanting my regs to stop. I think like 90% of us would honestly not handle that situation well because you don’t want to cut your profit in 1/5. But I completely get it and give dealers **** for this all the time it’s absolutely insane how much some of them make like $450 for 8 hrs I see regularly or waitresses making $70+/hr
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Old 04-26-2021, 09:09 PM   #103
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itís absolutely insane how much some of them make like $450 for 8 hrs I see regularly
Where? I'll move anywhere for that job.
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Old 04-26-2021, 09:18 PM   #104
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At Gila River, AZ, I noticed that the dealers were being way over-tipped, imo ofc. I'm talking a red bird tip at 8-16 limit as a regular thing. I won a pot, tossed out a white, and the dealer ignored it so I snatched it back and got a dirty look. I got to say 'I wasn't going to tip you at all and that's what you can expect from now on.'
Yeah. I've seen rampant over tipping now. Like $3-5 tips at 4/8. Honestly I'm glad to see it because I don't tip every pot I win and if the fish wanna toss my "lost" tips in there for me let 'em.
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Old 04-27-2021, 02:09 PM   #105
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While not the biggest mistake ever, but still shows some incompetence. I was playing last Friday at a room that has plexiglass up. A brand new player that is clearly unsure of all the rules limps into a pot and a reg raises, new player calls. Flop is K98, check, reg bets, new player calls, turn and river are 4, Q, and it gets checked down.

They tell new player he has to show and he shows the Qh, reg says, he wins and tables TT. Dealer mucks the TT, pushes the pot to new guy, and mucks his cards. As soon as he does the reg starts calling for the floor because the guy never tabled both cards (this is a ~$55 pot).

So they start arguing everything for a few minutes, nothing happens and then we start to play again. First hand I stack the new guy, but mid hand the floor comes back over and takes the $55 out of his stack and puts it aside. So, instead of him having $100, he has $45. I win his stack, but they still aren't sure what they are going to do with the $55. New guy just sits there for 10 minutes and they finally come over and give the $55 to the reg since the camera confirmed the guy never showed both cards and his cards got mucked.
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Old 04-28-2021, 08:32 AM   #106
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Obv this stuff hurts more if it happens directly to the us, but I saw a Player (seat 5) raise PF, bet Flop and shove Turn .. with no cards! The Dealer had dragged his holding in with the rest of the folded cards PF.

The table came to an eerie halt when he pushed all his chips in with nothing under his card protector. Floor gave him his all-in back but he lost the rest .. I heard the Dealer made up for it later, pretty cool. GL
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Old 04-28-2021, 08:45 AM   #107
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Players, your most important job is to protect your hand.
How on earth do you get to the river and not realize you don't have cards?

I have many things to pay attention to.
One is mucking cards that are laying unprotected on the felt.
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Old 04-28-2021, 12:41 PM   #108
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They tell new player he has to show and he shows the Qh, reg says, he wins and tables TT. Dealer mucks the TT, pushes the pot to new guy, and mucks his cards. As soon as he does the reg starts calling for the floor because the guy never tabled both cards (this is a ~$55 pot)
I hate this type of angle shoot from regs to obvious noobs. But then again the fish learns a valuable lesson he won't make this mistake again. Too bad the guy next to him didn't say anything I'd personally take the reprimand to show goodwill to a newbie that may come back more because the game seemed friendly to a learning player. You can shear a sheep many times but only skin it once.

Also, this is a really bad dealer mistake by pushing the pot to the wrong player. If I were this dealer I would have left the cards on the table as is and started pushing the pot to the reg. That way when the player inevitably asks me why he isn't getting the pot I can explain the rule and punish the reg for the angle shoot without damaging the game. This dealer was obviously a drooler.
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Old 04-28-2021, 04:49 PM   #109
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I hate this type of angle shoot from regs to obvious noobs. But then again the fish learns a valuable lesson he won't make this mistake again. Too bad the guy next to him didn't say anything I'd personally take the reprimand to show goodwill to a newbie that may come back more because the game seemed friendly to a learning player. You can shear a sheep many times but only skin it once.
Yeah, I always tell people they need to turn over both cards, but with the plexiglass up and not being in the hand it was a little hard to tell what exactly was going on and the dealer instantly pulled in the cards and pushed the pot, didn't say anything to the guy only showing 1 card or anything. The players in the hand were the 1 and 6 seats (playing 6 handed), so they are right next to the dealer and he could easily communicate with them.

As soon as the reg spoke up I knew what was happening. It is true maybe the new guy has learned a valuable lesson, but it is also possible he feels like he got cheated and never comes back. Even after he left I am not sure he truly understood what happened or why he didn't win the pot. Maybe going forward he takes his money to the pits going forward or goes to another casino. The reg will never win another pot off of him, the dealer will never get another tip from him, the poker room will never get any rake from him.

I dunno, the room also has a rule that they make you leave money in the pot if you tried calling a smaller amount or limping in and it was raised prior to that. You can either leave that in and fold, or call the larger amount. Almost all the time (unless a reg that is an ass or someone that is constantly doing it and may be trying something) if it is a pot I am in and I win I try to give them their money back. Just 10 minutes before the hand in question it happened to a guy where he had decided to call a raise instead of leave the limp in. After the hand I tried to give it back, but he didn't want it, so I bought him a beer. It just drives me nuts when regs, dealers, house rules, etc... create an unpleasant experience for inexperienced players. As someone who has played for over 15 years and has seen the decline in people playing I hate chasing away new people.
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Old 04-28-2021, 04:54 PM   #110
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Also, this is a really bad dealer mistake by pushing the pot to the wrong player. If I were this dealer I would have left the cards on the table as is and started pushing the pot to the reg. That way when the player inevitably asks me why he isn't getting the pot I can explain the rule and punish the reg for the angle shoot without damaging the game. This dealer was obviously a drooler.
Yeah, the dealer is pretty bad. He did realize I was pissed about the whole thing, mostly because I was arguing with the floor about it and told them to pay the reg out of my wallet instead of taking the pot from the guy. So later on he came over to me and told me that the only reason he did what he did is because of the regs verbal declaration that the other guy wins, so he was just speeding up the game and pushing the other guy the pot. Of course, that was a mistake and he should have done done a better job running the game.
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Old 04-28-2021, 05:08 PM   #111
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I've noticed a considerable lack of dealers that are controlling the game well anymore. I know the plexiglass makes it more difficult. But the decline started before plexiglass.

As for the trying to call less argument. There's plenty of players that don't pay attention well enough and they play enough to know better. If it's an obvious newbie I think the dealer and table should give one mulligan on that particular rule. But of course there's always one "pro" at the table insisting on the rule being enforced even if they aren't in the hand.
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Old 04-29-2021, 09:49 AM   #112
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While not the biggest mistake ever, but still shows some incompetence. I was playing last Friday at a room that has plexiglass up. A brand new player that is clearly unsure of all the rules limps into a pot and a reg raises, new player calls. Flop is K98, check, reg bets, new player calls, turn and river are 4, Q, and it gets checked down.

They tell new player he has to show and he shows the Qh, reg says, he wins and tables TT. Dealer mucks the TT, pushes the pot to new guy, and mucks his cards. As soon as he does the reg starts calling for the floor because the guy never tabled both cards (this is a ~$55 pot).

So they start arguing everything for a few minutes, nothing happens and then we start to play again. First hand I stack the new guy, but mid hand the floor comes back over and takes the $55 out of his stack and puts it aside. So, instead of him having $100, he has $45. I win his stack, but they still aren't sure what they are going to do with the $55. New guy just sits there for 10 minutes and they finally come over and give the $55 to the reg since the camera confirmed the guy never showed both cards and his cards got mucked.
If the Reg said 'You win', this declaration alone, since it induced an effective mucking of the players hand, would be enough in many cases to get the New Guy the pot, and the reg a talking to by the floor.
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Old 04-29-2021, 11:03 AM   #113
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If the Reg said 'You win', this declaration alone, since it induced an effective mucking of the players hand, would be enough in many cases to get the New Guy the pot, and the reg a talking to by the floor.
You would think so, but the floor decided to review the tape and determined the reg was the only one to turn over a live hand and entitled to the pot. Essentially ruling the cards speak for themselves.

I suppose it would protect someone from saying I got nothing you win after misreading the board and then realizing they have a straight or something and turning their hand over.
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Old 04-29-2021, 11:06 AM   #114
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There are a few casinos, Bellagio?, where a verbal 'surrender' is binding. This was put in place mainly due to 'lots' of Regs tricking a last-to-show Player into tabling their cards just so they could see them .. and then semi-slow rolling the winner. GL
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Old 04-29-2021, 11:59 AM   #115
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There are a few casinos, Bellagio?, where a verbal 'surrender' is binding.
Something very similar situation happened to me at Bellagio and I was awarded the pot.

I have Qx on a Qxxxx board with 4 low cards. Bet flop, check/check turn, bet river. Opponent across the table calls and asks "Queen?". I say yes and he says "you're good" and does what looked like a muck to me. So I don't even table the Q. Only after the dealer mucked my hand O realize that his TT is actually face up on the table.
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Old 04-29-2021, 12:33 PM   #116
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You would think so, but the floor decided to review the tape and determined the reg was the only one to turn over a live hand and entitled to the pot. Essentially ruling the cards speak for themselves.

I suppose it would protect someone from saying I got nothing you win after misreading the board and then realizing they have a straight or something and turning their hand over.
The rule was written to prevent people from verbally surrendering 'You're good, I was bluffing' and holding on to their cards and waiting for the other player to muck, then claiming thqat they had the only live hand.

Pretty much what happened here.
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Old 04-29-2021, 12:47 PM   #117
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I see dealers miscount stacks all the time, but what gets me is when they don't even count and assume and just push someone's bigger all in stack to someone who has a smaller stack. I've seen that happen many times.
i've been on the wrong side of this a few times where i shoved all chips forward, villain calls and wins and despite that i covered villain by several hundred dealer was just going to move all my chips to him and i'd make them count it out first

after happening 2-3 times i went to the single chip all in to avoid this, but frankly, the bigger fix is probably to stop punting river bluffs
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Legendary folklore, but a friend was in this game.

When Mohegan Sun opened their room it was packed and they were pulling pit staff out to deal. One 1/2 hand saw two players with a lot of pf action and a checked flop. Small bet on a low turn and a call and when the river came small but unpaired, another bet and call. Player A showed pocket 6s for a pair, Player B showed pocket 7s.

Dealer says neither hand qualifies and rakes a pot with about 70 chip volume into the tray.
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Old 04-29-2021, 06:44 PM   #119
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Plo hand
400ish goes in pre 4-5 ways
800 or so all in on the flop from a short stack
2 guys call with 3kish behind
Dealer who is one of the most worthless dealers i've ever seen just snap puts out the turn and river card.
Obviously river (which paired the board) comes back
2 players now get all in on the turn and the new river completes the draw

Dealer gave zero ****s
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Old 04-29-2021, 06:54 PM   #120
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Plo hand
400ish goes in pre 4-5 ways
800 or so all in on the flop from a short stack
2 guys call with 3kish behind
Dealer who is one of the most worthless dealers i've ever seen just snap puts out the turn and river card.
Obviously river (which paired the board) comes back
2 players now get all in on the turn and the new river completes the draw

Dealer gave zero ****s
I'm guessing the stakes, the total board change and your history with the dealer is what's actually under your skin here. Any player who's played a reasonable amount of live poker has seen this mistake multiple times.
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While not the biggest mistake ever, but still shows some incompetence. I was playing last Friday at a room that has plexiglass up. A brand new player that is clearly unsure of all the rules limps into a pot and a reg raises, new player calls. Flop is K98, check, reg bets, new player calls, turn and river are 4, Q, and it gets checked down.

They tell new player he has to show and he shows the Qh, reg says, he wins and tables TT. Dealer mucks the TT, pushes the pot to new guy, and mucks his cards. As soon as he does the reg starts calling for the floor because the guy never tabled both cards (this is a ~$55 pot).

So they start arguing everything for a few minutes, nothing happens and then we start to play again. First hand I stack the new guy, but mid hand the floor comes back over and takes the $55 out of his stack and puts it aside. So, instead of him having $100, he has $45. I win his stack, but they still aren't sure what they are going to do with the $55. New guy just sits there for 10 minutes and they finally come over and give the $55 to the reg since the camera confirmed the guy never showed both cards and his cards got mucked.
scumbag reg deserves a shovel to the back of his head
taking the money out mid hand is awful. but even worse is that ruling.
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Old 04-29-2021, 07:04 PM   #122
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I'm guessing the stakes, the total board change and your history with the dealer is what's actually under your skin here. Any player who's played a reasonable amount of live poker has seen this mistake multiple times.
i've seen premature rivers before as has everyone where the dealer doesn't see there is still one player left to act, often with that player covering their cards. i have seen them forgetting there was a small amount left behind for a flop all in and putting out the turn and river but never seen it with so much behind.

yes the fact it was an awful dealer made it worse.
i had nothing to do with this hand at all but have had mistakes cost me money occasionally, some of them my otherwise by good dealers and never got too upset over it.in this case i was pretty irate.
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yes the fact it was an awful dealer made it worse.
The worst is when not only are they a bad dealer and prone to mistakes but they're also the slowest dealer in the room. There are two dealers in my local that I actually plan my walking break around if they're in the room because of their complete lack of game control and the speed at which they deal.
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The worst is when not only are they a bad dealer and prone to mistakes but they're also the slowest dealer in the room. There are two dealers in my local that I actually plan my walking break around if they're in the room because of their complete lack of game control and the speed at which they deal.
this dealer is probably mediocre speed wise but has zero clue what is going on. i had stopped tipping her completely long before this happened.
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Old 05-04-2021, 01:55 AM   #125
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Dealer pitches everyone 2 cards and then starts counting the rack. Game was PLO.

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Player A showed pocket 6s for a pair, Player B showed pocket 7s.

Dealer says neither hand qualifies and rakes a pot with about 70 chip volume into the tray.
Because they aren't 8s or better.

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