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05-20-2013 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DK Barrel
Saw a dealer prematurely burn and turn the river card at 1/2 with one player left to act, completing a flush. Not a huge deal but she then allowed a bunch of action to take place before the pit arrived, when at least 3 of the 4 players involved didn't know that the card would be reshuffled. The pit explained the rule but all the action between the burn and turn and his arrival stood. Needless to say the button was pretty pissed off after sticking in $100 thinking he had the nuts.
So they rolled back the river card but not any of the river action? That's ridiculous.

Also, action offered and accepted on the river.
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05-20-2013 , 12:02 PM
very loose 2/5 game I 5bet bluff shoved $900 or so with QTcc, guy tank calls with JJ, I had him covered

flop is all rags except for the runner runner flush I made on the river and the dealer pushes the pot to villain

took 45 minutes to straighten it out

another time I was in the 1hole,dealt AA, raised to $25 and capped my cards, player in the CO 3bets to $75, player in SB 4bets to $200

dealer is talking to someone and not paying attention, scoops my cards and chip cap into the muck

btw, how should this be ruled?
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05-20-2013 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JEB262
dealer is talking to someone and not paying attention, scoops my cards and chip cap into the muck

btw, how should this be ruled?
Your unprotected hand is mucked, action is now on CO.
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05-20-2013 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
Your unprotected hand is mucked, action is now on CO.
But does he get his chip cap back?
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05-20-2013 , 01:13 PM
Not live game, but during an audition.

2-7 TD, dealer deals in 8 (eight) players, first betting round ensues, is completed. Dealer burns and puts out a flop. Points to SB, check or bet. Whole table is kind of shifting and moving in their chairs, trying to stifle chuckles, anticipating the trainwreck. One bet, field calls, everyone is still kind of giggling to themselves. The supervisor shook his head.

Dealer burns a card, and then, along with what I imagine was a sick, nauseous sensation, probably came the realization that the stub seemed pretty light. His hand still on the burn card he was pushing under the pot, he looked down at the stub, then at the board, then around the table at the hands.

He looked up at the supervisor - "I think I made a mistake." "You sure did," said the supervisor. "What should I do?" "You should start over." So he had to pull all the cards back in, splash the pot around to anyone who needed a refill, and start over.

That was only the most egregious of errors during his audition; needless to say he was not hired. But it was one of the funniest/most painful hands I've ever seen dealt. I don't remember what my hand was, but with 5 cards I probably had at least some kind of monster draw, terrible ruling in my opinion.

Last edited by losthawks; 05-20-2013 at 01:16 PM. Reason: grammar
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05-20-2013 , 02:47 PM
My fav was sitting at a 25 a hand bj table and the female dealers phone started ringing in her pocket. Then she asked evetyone at the table to hold on a mintue. Lol. And she didnt get fired.
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05-20-2013 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown
So they rolled back the river card but not any of the river action? That's ridiculous.

Also, action offered and accepted on the river.
It was turn action.
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05-20-2013 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by albedoa
Your unprotected hand is mucked, action is now on CO.
I had a white chip on my cards. The ruling ended up being that I got to keep my $25 and action continued without me and I was steaming.
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05-20-2013 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JEB262
I had a white chip on my cards. The ruling ended up being that I got to keep my $25 and action continued without me and I was steaming.
Okay. Did you get the white chip back?
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05-20-2013 , 08:07 PM
I once saw this in a game I was playing. Guy in the 5 seat goes all-in. Puts a chip on top of his cards to protect. Gets 2 callers. Dealer counts out the all-in bet, pulls the matching chips in from the other players, creates the pot. Then, before he puts out the flop, he reaches across the table to the 5 seat, and PULLS THE CARDS OUT FROM UNDER THE CHIP, mucking them.

It happened so fast, the 5 seat was stunned for a split second. Then he went nuts. Yelling at dealer (who was a relatively experienced dude, I don't know what he was thinking). Floor is called. Floor rules that since cards are in the muck, it's an irretrievable hand. Seat 5 does get his all-in bet back because it's a dealer error. He starts bemoaning loudly that he had pocket kings. Hand continues, the kings would've held up. And yes, they did go through the muck after the hand was over and the 2 kings (together) were indeed there.
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05-20-2013 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGjustinBIEBS

if i had all the money given back to me cause of a dealer mistake i would refunded atleast 1k or 1.5k
But then you would have to give back the money you have won because of dealer mistakes. Or are you one of those unlucky few where a dealer has never made a mistake that benefitted you?
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05-20-2013 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGjustinBIEBS
*bunch of randomly spewed nonsense about how when I play 1/2 all the dealers are horrible and that's why they are dealing.*
Newsflash: Dealers in a 1/2 game make more money dealing than 99% of the players make by playing.
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05-20-2013 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
Newsflash: Dealers in a 1/2 game make more money dealing than 99% of the players make by playing.
They don't deserve to.
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05-21-2013 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by makeit10
They don't deserve to.
If you say so... FWIW - Good dealers do deserve to. Plus, even good 1/2 players don't make very much money (compared to most jobs/careers out there), so I'm not really sure why you think that. That's all I'm going to say on the subject. I'm not going to turn this into a tipping debate.
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05-21-2013 , 10:22 AM
Playing Black Jack on cruise a women pushes her chips in for color, dealer counts it, pulls the color on to table then gets tapped out and leaves it all on table. New dealer counts it, pulls the color onto table and pays the woman. It was a full table and nobody said a word.
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05-21-2013 , 11:55 AM
Saw this while watching 2013 WSOP auditions. Pretty young female dealer game is 2-7 triple draw, she deals 9 players in (leaving 7 cards in the stub) 7 players stay, 1st player takes 2, 2nd takes 2, 3rd takes 3, dealer is now out of cards (she did not burn) then shuffles the 2 discarded hands together and proceeds 4th takes 4, 5th takes 3, 6 takes 2 and 7th needs 4 so the dealer give them the last card gathers all the discards (including the ones he threw away) shuffles and gives 7th 3 more cards. Because she never burned everyone got 4 draws. Next game 7 card stud 8 or better again she deals in 9 players and never burns a card on any of the following 4 rounds. Last game PLO/8 another game where she never burns a card and then splits the pot on a K,3,8,A,9 also awards the high to a Q,J,T,T hand calling it a straight. And to beat it all she gets hired.

I really wish I could say that the other dealers I saw in that audition were better but out of the 8 that day only one knew what he was doing and I recognized him as a dealer from a room in here in Vegas. I have peeked in on several of these auditions and that seems par for the course. I had planned on playing a few events this year but based on what I have seen I won't because I would never be able to concentrate on the game because I would always be watching for the dealers to screw up. The dealers seem to get worse every year or at least since 2005 but since that was the year that the players including the main event winner Joe Hachem started stiffing the dealers. It only makes sense since the good dealers end up finding work elsewhere and do not return. I have had a WSOP dealer tell me (I deal baccarat and BJ) that even though the WSOP now lasts over a week longer than it did 6 or 7 years ago that the dealer now make about 30-35% of what they used to make back then.
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05-21-2013 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DealingMachine

And to beat it all she gets hired.

The dealers seem to get worse every year
Welcome to the World Series of Poker. As long as the money deteriorates each year, the good dealers will continue to avoid it. The WSOP will have to keep hiring people like you described above to make due. Viscious cycle really. Damn shame too.
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05-22-2013 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JDiamond364
Welcome to the World Series of Poker. As long as the money deteriorates each year, the good dealers will continue to avoid it. The WSOP will have to keep hiring people like you described above to make due. Viscious cycle really. Damn shame too.
Everyone I've ever talked to, from dealers who have dealt in past WSOP's, to people who've played in Series Events, tells me that the dealers are all significantly abused by players (especially in the bigger cash games), and robbed blind by the people running the WSOP. While I've never had the itch to deal it myself, every year people ask me if I'm going to work it. I always reply by saying that when I start to hear GOOD stories of how dealers are treated and compensated, then I might think about it.
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05-22-2013 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Ship It Or Bust
Everyone I've ever talked to, from dealers who have dealt in past WSOP's, to people who've played in Series Events, tells me that the dealers are all significantly abused by players (especially in the bigger cash games), and robbed blind by the people running the WSOP. While I've never had the itch to deal it myself, every year people ask me if I'm going to work it. I always reply by saying that when I start to hear GOOD stories of how dealers are treated and compensated, then I might think about it.


My experience did not include abuse from players (or at least not any more then typically comes with the job).
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05-22-2013 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Ship It Or Bust
Everyone I've ever talked to, from dealers who have dealt in past WSOP's, to people who've played in Series Events, tells me that the dealers are all significantly abused by players (especially in the bigger cash games), and robbed blind by the people running the WSOP. While I've never had the itch to deal it myself, every year people ask me if I'm going to work it. I always reply by saying that when I start to hear GOOD stories of how dealers are treated and compensated, then I might think about it.
I never had any real player abuse, but I am a good dealer IMO. The players do try to walk all over the newbies and see what they can get away with. Players are frustrated because of bad dealers. Good dealers refuse to come work. Seems like everyone is getting screwed.

TBH, I actually enjoyed the work itself. I liked the atmosphere and the whole spectacle of it all. The stakes were exciting and it was nice to deal more then just Hold Em and Omaha everyday. But the money is the real problem. There are other gripes for the dealers (food and parking primarily) but in the end, the last tme I dealt it, I would have made more staying home and not having 2 rent payments.
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05-22-2013 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JDiamond364
I never had any real player abuse, but I am a good dealer IMO. The players do try to walk all over the newbies and see what they can get away with. Players are frustrated because of bad dealers. Good dealers refuse to come work. Seems like everyone is getting screwed.

TBH, I actually enjoyed the work itself. I liked the atmosphere and the whole spectacle of it all. The stakes were exciting and it was nice to deal more then just Hold Em and Omaha everyday. But the money is the real problem. There are other gripes for the dealers (food and parking primarily) but in the end, the last tme I dealt it, I would have made more staying home and not having 2 rent payments.
And this fuels another problem. Vegas dealers are working the WSOP as a second job, but its also at a time when their primary jobs are busy too ..... which means you have a lot of dealers now operating with little sleep, and no days off .... and this takes its toll .... even the good dealers start making mistakes due to the fatigue.
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05-23-2013 , 09:03 PM
Very true. The WSOP has started hiring more dealers as "on call" which may help with this problem but it doesn't matter, too many problems remain IMO.
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05-24-2013 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JDiamond364
Players are frustrated because of bad dealers. Good dealers refuse to come work. Seems like everyone is getting screwed.

But the money is the real problem. There are other gripes for the dealers (food and parking primarily) but in the end, the last tme I dealt it, I would have made more staying home and not having 2 rent payments.
And therein lies the problem.

Believe me when I say the suits are very happy though. It's like a kid in a candy store.
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05-25-2013 , 05:08 AM
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/126861...er_story_ever/

It's a little long, but still the greatest bad beat/mistake story i have ever heard
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05-25-2013 , 11:11 AM
Does it count as a mistake if the dealer did it on purpose?
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