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Beginner Spewing Chips @1/2NL, Dealer Advises Him to Sit@ 2/4L Beginner Spewing Chips @1/2NL, Dealer Advises Him to Sit@ 2/4L

08-22-2018 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
The other 99 out of 100 times he’ll lose a solid part of his buy-in to the 2/4 rake trap instead of a 1/2NL reg. Pretty sure the casino is OK with him being upset that one time.
Pretty sure that even if your numbers were accurate, the casino would exactly mind.

1. There are all sorts of stats along the lines of "a happy customer will tell a friend, an unhappy customer will tell 10 friends."

2. Unhappy customers threaten to sue or whatever and even if it's totally baseless, it saps a huge amount of time and energy. I'd guess that 90% of problems a business faces comes from the worst 10%, and probably half from the worst 1%.

Corporations do these cost-benefit analyses all the time, that's why you end up with counterintuitive rules like bank security guards being forbidden to stop bank robberies.
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08-23-2018 , 12:38 AM
So the dealer basically told him he sucks in front of the entire table? New players often try to fit in with the rest of the table and try to pretend they know what they are doing. They don’t want dealers telling them they are so clueless that they should leave the table.

Maybe he should play 2-4 limit, but a lot more new players head to the NL tables because they want to play the game on tv where you can go all-in.

Couldn’t this player buy in for less than $200? But who knows, maybe he doesn’t want to.

Last edited by Steve00007; 08-23-2018 at 12:44 AM.
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08-23-2018 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Dealer should obviously not say anything as described, because he can alienate and upset the player. Dealer's job is to keep the game running smoothly, not to become an active participant at the table.
What if the comment is part of an ongoing conversation with the dealer about how the game works? Totally new players often do this, same as with table games. I agree the dealer shouldn't make a comment out of the blue.
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08-23-2018 , 01:25 PM
In the past couple of weeks, I've seen at least a couple of guys playing for the first time in a casino at the 1/2 table. My feeling is that they managed to seek out the poker table, and bring money to play. If they dust off the first buy-in and reach for more, then that's on them. Maybe the money means much less to them than we think? Maybe they are willing to pay for lessons?

They both appeared to not have played actual poker before. Either too embarrassed to ask about options, or just following dealers literal instructions "It's $X to call."

One who sat next to me showed me his hand after I folded, and commented along the lines of "This is a good hand, right?". I told him loud enough for the table to hear that I couldn't help him while at the table. Spoiler alert: It wasn't a good hand.

Both got up after less than 30 minutes, one even had chips left. Neither seemed upset, and both may have accomplished their goals. No harm, no foul.

I'm more concerned for the degen looking super aggressive short stacker that looks to have multiple vices. Of course, I'm not expecting dealers to shoo them away either.
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08-25-2018 , 05:49 AM
I would have gone completely ape **** if I heard a dealer do that at my table. Let the guy gamble however the f he wants. Guys like this are good for the game and keep regs (his most frequent customers) happy and well fed. If you have so much sympathy for degenerates then go volunteer at a homeless shelter rather than steer away and potentially insult a customer.
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08-25-2018 , 06:03 AM
We play for a lot of money folks. No problem making sure the players are aware of their skill level vs. the field.
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08-25-2018 , 05:54 PM
The dealer certainly shouldn't say "this game isn't for you", because it could easily be interpreted as insulting the player.

I don't really have a problem with the dealer informing the player about the different games the poker room spreads, as long as it phrased in a way that isn't denigrating and leaves the decision up to the player.

Like if a player at a hold-em table said "I really love PLO...I wish this casino would spread PLO sometimes", I think it would be totally OK for a dealer to tell him "You know, we're actually running a 2/5 PLO game right now in the back of the room".
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08-27-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lagavulin16
How is this different from a dealer doing the same thing to someone who knows the mechanics of the game but not the strategy, and spews off buy-in after buy-in for hours? (We've all seen this guy.) Dealers never tell this guy to get up. Given the answer to this, how does it affect your view on the situation?
This is the question I was most interested in getting thoughts on.
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08-31-2018 , 02:03 PM
literally never seen this. ive seen drunks who were too drunk to play poker taken out. but that makes sense, even i dont mind it.
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