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Banned for life from my local card room Banned for life from my local card room

10-11-2018 , 01:30 AM
I had Anti Money Laundering training class this week.

This thread is super hilarious. Especially with just how oblivious OP is to like every action he takes and everything he says.
10-11-2018 , 02:18 AM
fml just delete this whole thread if possible ty
10-11-2018 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
I also don't like driving >1hr and spending extra $ on gas.
You're willing to "piss off" $5k but ~$50 in gas is a deal breaker?

10-11-2018 , 03:02 AM
I know I am restating what others have said but also having the glory of sitting through the annual money laundering class today everything you mentioned doing are massive red flags for someone trying to commit or cover up a financial crime. While It seems like you did not have any malicious intent as a casino they can not take any chances. The punishment for participating or harboring in financial crimes are pretty staggering (loss of gaming license for employee and in extreme cases the casino itself, 7 figure fines to casino/employees, and possible federal prison time) That is why casinos or any financial institution will not mess around and will come down hard on anyone avoiding any of the reporting stages or trying to bypass any reporting. They also dont give you particulars on why you were banned because legally we can not give you the dollar amount that starts tracking or when our gaming day ends or any of the particulars to MTL's or SAR's because that alone can be criminal and would result in immediate termination and loss of gaming license.

As far as going back and trying to get your ban overturned I dont know how all that works but if you explain your situation and explain there was no malicious intent on your part, just quirkiness you might have a chance to get back in, however you will face increased scrutiny on any financial transaction you do and if you repeat any behaviors you will be done on the spot and possibly done in your area.
10-11-2018 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
Great priorities. The place was a crack den anyways full of fiends. If I could find something good to say about the place I would say it, but being within 25 min drive from home was the only good thing about it.

. . .

Bunch of idiots running that casino.
At least you're not bitter about it.
10-11-2018 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
fml just delete this whole thread if possible ty
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10-11-2018 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by smoothcriminal99
I had a similar situation happen when I refused to give my ssn on a 3000ish transaction and I took my chips back and left. They banned me next time I came in. If you apologize and explain the situation that you didn’t know this behavior was a problem for the casino and it won’t happen anymore if they lift the ban they’ll probably oblige. They will make you fill out some paperwork so they can file a suspicious activity report on you.

You seem to be both delusional about your behavior in not seeing how it’s an issue for the casino and entitled to do any thing that doesn’t explicitly break a written rule which is not how the world works.
This is the best advice ITT. The only shot you have is to talk to someone high up and tell them what you were doing and now that you know that is not ok you will stop. They probably won't care, but it's legitimately your only chance. As mentioned, the casino can get in mega trouble with the government if they don't do something in these situations, so for them it was a no brainer. Keep this guy out of our establishment to cover our own ass.

Seriously though, you get kicked out of a bank for this and you continue to try it at other places? I don't feel sorry for you. This makes the 4th place to ban you for this and you just now are trying to figure out why they care?
10-11-2018 , 10:13 AM
So you will dust $5k at blackjack, but it bothers you to spend $ on gas for a one hour drive?

Casino did you a favor.
10-11-2018 , 11:45 AM
I have never played a single hand of blackjack in any casino in my entire life. I am just saying hypothetically, if somebody brings in large amount of cash into their casino on a regular basis, was once a black card (higher tier....well it was matched from Borgata last year but I stopped playing for a year and lost it) holder, and has regularly played the highest stake poker game available in their casino, you would expect them to be a little bit more respectful with how they treat a situation like this by at least issuing me some type of warning before 86'ing me forever.

I can't help it. I love star notes. Hell, it's basically my last name!
10-11-2018 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
I have never played a single hand of blackjack in any casino in my entire life. I am just saying hypothetically, if somebody brings in large amount of cash into their casino on a regular basis, was once a black card (higher tier....well it was matched from Borgata last year but I stopped playing for a year and lost it) holder, and has regularly played the highest stake poker game available in their casino, you would expect them to be a little bit more respectful with how they treat a situation like this by at least issuing me some type of warning before 86'ing me forever.
LOL...the casino knows that playing high stakes blackjack is not in your wheelhouse.
10-11-2018 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
this one (rivers casino NY) was so local and convenient for me and I hate long drives.
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
Now I'm out of a local place to play poker.
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
being within 25 min drive from home was the only good thing about it.
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
I also don't like driving >1hr and spending extra $ on gas.
This is a relatively minor inconsistency, but at some point you should read this thread start to finish and note how it is your emotional state that affects your observations, rather than your observations affecting your emotional state.

This casino turned from a great, convenient place to play at to an inconvenient place run by idiots. At the beginning of the thread you just wanted to know what you did wrong so you could stop, now you're denying you did anything wrong and want everyone to stop piling on.

Take a few days and go do something you enjoy that isn't poker. Then come back and reread your own posts in this thread and ask yourself which parts you meant and which parts you didn't. Then read posts like dinesh's that are genuinely trying to help you, and PM him a thank you.
10-11-2018 , 12:06 PM
re: this one (rivers casino NY) was so local and convenient for me and I hate long drives.

so where did I ever say this was a "great" place to play? I said it was conveniently close.

and I meant everything I said in here so far. sticking to my guns.

P.S. thanks dinesh
10-11-2018 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
Will I stop hunting for star notes? No. There's nothing wrong with it as far as I'm concerned. Will I change the way in which I hunt for them? Yeah sure.
No one disputes whether or not anything is wrong with it as far as you're concerned, but there WAS as far as the casino was concerned.

I will say this, you have one hell of a disproportionate value on certain bills.
10-11-2018 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
I can't help it. I love star notes.
Oh, that point is not in question!
10-11-2018 , 02:15 PM
To be clear .... the law does not allow financial institutions (including casinos) to warn you. They can't say to you .... hey if you make that transaction we are going to make a report. They can't tell you when you are going over a limit, and they can't tell you when they file a suspicious activity report.
10-11-2018 , 02:34 PM
While it is true you can't warn him about the reporting, you ostensibly could warn him that he is going to be banned if he continues, because the banning is just a business decision, not a FinCEN requirement...I think, anyway.

Though I'm not sure what you would say if he asked why, since you can't tell him the real reason why. I suppose you could just lie to him and say it's because he's causing too much work for the cashiers. But at that point why bother, much easier and cleaner just to ban him with no warning.

Aside: I wonder if FinCEN actually prefers that you not ban people doing suspicious things, since banning them just makes them move on somewhere else where FinCEN may not have as easy a time tracking them.
10-11-2018 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dinesh
While it is true you can't warn him about the reporting, you ostensibly could warn him that he is going to be banned if he continues, because the banning is just a business decision, not a FinCEN requirement...I think, anyway.

Though I'm not sure what you would say if he asked why, since you can't tell him the real reason why. I suppose you could just lie to him and say it's because he's causing too much work for the cashiers. But at that point why bother, much easier and cleaner just to ban him with no warning.

Aside: I wonder if FinCEN actually prefers that you not ban people doing suspicious things, since banning them just makes them move on somewhere else where FinCEN may not have as easy a time tracking them.
Its a really fine line between warning someone that if they keep doing something you will ban them and warning them nt to do it because you will be required to report it..... And no reason for a casino to try to walk the line.
10-11-2018 , 03:00 PM
He should have also known that by saying "No. I'm not giving you my social." could possibly have some consequences.
10-11-2018 , 03:30 PM
Gonna go way out on a limb here, and guess that OP's bizarre behavior is not limited to cash/chips transactions.
10-11-2018 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
He should have also known that by saying "No. I'm not giving you my social." could possibly have some consequences.
People keep bringing this up. Did I miss the part where OP said he was asked for his SSN and didn't give it?
10-11-2018 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Suit
People keep bringing this up. Did I miss the part where OP said he was asked for his SSN and didn't give it?
The casino said he was being banned for not giving his SSN, but he claims he was never asked for it. It's probably just the way the ban was coded in their system.
10-11-2018 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Gonna go way out on a limb here, and guess that OP's bizarre behavior is not limited to cash/chips transactions.
Not really on a limb. He admitted he ahd been banned from a bunch of banks as well.
10-11-2018 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Suit
People keep bringing this up. Did I miss the part where OP said he was asked for his SSN and didn't give it?
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Originally Posted by nypoker1234
They literally never asked me for SS# at this place within the past year. I was once asked for it last year or so when they claimed my daily transactions were going to exceed 10k, but otherwise no issues lately.
I assumed he meant he didn't provide it "last year" because he said "otherwise no issues", but I guess it is ambiguous.
10-11-2018 , 05:07 PM
It seems like the OP won’t accept what has happened or is trolling
10-11-2018 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by radtechy
It seems like the OP won’t accept what has happened or is trolling
Yup. I just banned him for something untoward he said in his most recent post. It was fun while it lasted.

I'll leave the thread open just in case anyone else has anything to say about the matter.

      
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