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Is it bad poker etiquette to force a player to show their hand first if I call with the nuts? Is it bad poker etiquette to force a player to show their hand first if I call with the nuts?

08-10-2022 , 07:38 PM
I don't know what he meant with that post either, but I can't imagine any place has rule B.
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08-11-2022 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by JayKon
Yea, N. CA. I played in S. CA in the 70s & 80s, but moved north about 87/88.

And if the hand was checked around after the draw, the first to act showed first.

The thing that kinda bugs me is that CA/WA/OR/NV has had legal poker for +-100 years and now the people in places that have had legal poker for 10-20 years are suddenly the "experts" and their way is the only "right" way. The arrogance is astounding.
Most discussions about rules and procedures in this forum focus on what are the rules in practice today. While interesting from a historical perspective, the fact that any state/card room offered poker a hundred years ago is meaningless as to what is the prevailing standard today. Likewise, someone citing the way something was done decades ago when they played conveys no authority or relevance as to what is correct today.

In the NFL in the 1930s, if a team threw an incomplete pass, they received a 5 yard penalty as well as moving on to the next down. If a runner was knocked down by the defense, he could get back up and keep running. Tackled ball carriers had to be held down by the defense until the referee came over and blew the play dead. Interesting historical footnotes for sure, but those tidbits contribute nothing to a discussion of rules today nor add any authority to a persons opinion on todays game.
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08-11-2022 , 12:36 PM
I remember the prevailing rules on my NES and VCR in the 80s was that I could "see" a bet and then "raise", shame we did away with that.
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08-11-2022 , 01:42 PM
tthricainec if you have the nuts and are called otr, turn over you're hand when called it's not rocket science but it is human dignity.
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08-12-2022 , 12:18 AM
Poker is a human game. Shouldn't be a difference between proper etiquette and "poker" etiquette. Show your hand first with the nuts that's just proper etiquette in general. Than like I said previously ask to see his hand and say I called you and seeing your hand night affect how I play against you in future. If he says no than and mucks than you have a meta game advantage against him. Very likely to spew since he's the one being in proper.
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08-16-2022 , 08:01 PM
What is the point? Are you trying to gain info on how he plays, or are you trying to needle him?
If he's a maniac, you may not want to force him to show, so he continues to be said "maniac".
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08-17-2022 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SpadesUP
What is the point? Are you trying to gain info on how he plays, or are you trying to needle him?
If he's a maniac, you may not want to force him to show, so he continues to be said "maniac".
On the rare occasion I've done this it was to piss the guy off. Specifically, a guy who was a worse rules nit than I am and had been needling others at the table and forcing fish to show their hand.

So, yeah, that was a time to shove the etiquette right up his a**. Pissed him off too ... and he did stop needling the fish.
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08-19-2022 , 11:43 AM
If you get called on the river then you insta muck it or show it. Those are your two options.

OP could’ve left him off the hook but this guy storming out of the poker like a petulant child is one of the funniest things I’ve read here.
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08-19-2022 , 12:02 PM
I play at a casino that only offers $2-$100 spread-limit (due to a state law prohibiting no-limit), so we get some tricky spots as to who exactly called who. EG: Hero starts hand with $150, Villain with $250. H raises to $10, V 3-bets to $40, H 4-bets to $140 and twirls a $10 chip in his hand, V tanks for a minute then says "okay, let's go all-in" and both players put their chips in the middle. So while of course *technically* the Villain 5-bet to $240 and then the Hero called for less so Villain has to show first, but within the flow of the game it *feels* more like the Villain called the Hero's all-in, so the Hero should show first.

That's why when I'm in these spots, I just table my hand right away, because honestly sometimes I can't even keep track of who *technically* called who.
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08-19-2022 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
it *feels* more like the Villain called the Hero's all-in
Doesn't *feel* like that to me.
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