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Well, you would be wrong about that.
How do you think they convict murderers?

The video from the casino is all the evidence they need, plus testimony from employees.

In some states and charge dependent, injury would need to be proven as well. So yes, the video (authenticated via testimony) could be used but the victim may be necessary too.

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11-17-2017 , 05:50 PM

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Kurn, son of Mogh

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Well, you would be wrong about that.
How do you think they convict murderers?

The video from the casino is all the evidence they need, plus testimony from employees.

With evidence that puts the defendant at the scene of the crime, not just the word of the state.

When the accuser is alive, the accused absolutely has a constitutional right to confront his/her accuser.

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11-17-2017 , 07:39 PM

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The STATE is the accuser in ALL criminal cases. It's the State of Texas vs. FlopMyNutz. Not the Victim Vs the Defendant.

Yes, but the victim's testimony is a key part of the State's case.If the victim refuses to testify, there's no case.

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11-18-2017 , 03:04 PM

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dinesh

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Mod Note: Stop trolling each other please. Next step is temp bans.

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11-18-2017 , 10:23 PM

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Howard Beale

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Including YOU HEARD ME! would've been so, so sweet.

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11-18-2017 , 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh

Yes, but the victim's testimony is a key part of the State's case.If the victim refuses to testify, there's no case.

This is not necessarily true. The case can be proven by the testimony of other witnesses and evidence (i.e. thed video).

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11-18-2017 , 10:43 PM

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Getting an Order of Protection is also an option. The process is a bit easier than calling the cops for an assault charge and it'll keep this d-bag away from you. As far as saying f*** you, i agree with OP... F*** him

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11-19-2017 , 11:56 PM

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But if op was not called as a witness at trial, then op is not the accuser. People are frequently convicted when the victim never testifies.

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11-19-2017 , 11:57 PM

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Yes, but the victim's testimony is a key part of the State's case.If the victim refuses to testify, there's no case.

I have a much more complete reply but this one is simply better...

WRONG!

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11-20-2017 , 11:49 AM

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I have a much more complete reply but this one is simply better...

WRONG!

Right, but as a practical matter the DA is unlikely in the extreme to prosecute these facts w/o the victim.

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11-20-2017 , 12:15 PM

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OK, let's put a stop to this argument/discussion about the finer points of prosecution of crimes, too. Further posts on this topic in this thread will be deleted.

I admit it is vaguely relevant, which is why I let it go on, but armchair lawyering is doing no one any favors any more. Take it to the low content thread, or to another forum, if you wish to continue it (you can link to it here if you do).

Thanks.

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11-20-2017 , 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjou812

**** you is the universal demarcation line between a verbal dispute and a physical one. ****ed your momma or ****ed your wife are the only two sayings worse....

Flipping the bird is simply the visual version of go **** yourself.

Sure, insofar as verbal disputes are verbal disputes and physical ones are physical ones. But that's obvious and not particularly relevant. No words justify physical attacks.

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11-20-2017 , 06:39 PM

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Sure, insofar as verbal disputes are verbal disputes and physical ones are physical ones. But that's obvious and not particularly relevant. No words justify physical attacks.

In your fantasyland, where unicorns never fight, you are correct. In the real world, most physical altercations begin as verbal altercations, then pushing and then punching. Rarely does a guy suckerpunch another out of the blue. Commonly, **** you precipitated the pushing and punching. You seem to think verbal disputes should never/do not ever escalate to physical ones.

If you are willing to tell a stranger **** you to his face, you may want to be on the lookout for a left jab. I would bet you are one of those people who believes violence should never be used to resolve disputes between humans.

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11-20-2017 , 06:48 PM

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I am not sure if you guys are arguing or agreeing. No one is disputing that the '%^&^&$^& you' precipitated the physical response. But that is not the same as saying that it justified it. JJJou-are you saying it is legally justifiable to take a swing at someone who has cursed at you but has presented no verbal or physical indications of an immediate threat to you? I think that is were there seems to be some disagreement. No words, short of words constituting a real and immediate threat, should be legal justification for violence. There are plenty of words, however, that can make swinging at someone understandable, but still not legal.

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11-20-2017 , 06:57 PM

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I'm not going to read 6 pages of comments (at my settings) but has anyone suggested a Civil Compromise yet? How much of a stack did he have? "I suppose I can let bygones be bygones for $500 and an apology."

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11-20-2017 , 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove

It is about personal responsibility and the op was very responsible for the altercation. Sueing the "villain" and trying to ruin his life, after no harm was done, is disgusting and vindictive.

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11-20-2017 , 07:18 PM

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It is about personal responsibility and the op was very responsible for the altercation. Sueing the "villain" and trying to ruin his life, after no harm was done, is disgusting and vindictive.

curious, you are saying that the other player had no responsibility for his actions? The consequences for physically assaulting a person are the fault of the victim, because....why? How did the victim coerce the other person into assaulting him such that the victim is 100% responsible for the assault? This is very odd to me.

I have been cursed at many times (well, not many, but a few). I have been confonted a few times...and I have never assaulted another person. I know many people like me, who have managed to go through life and never assaulted someone. I guess no one ever said the magic words to us that would rob us of our free will?

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11-20-2017 , 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SpewingIsMyMove

curious, you are saying that the other player had no responsibility for his actions?

I did not say that, but wp anyway.

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11-20-2017 , 07:33 PM

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Vagine

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So this girl was wearing a skirt so short you could see the whole thing. What was she thinking after she sued the guy after he raped her, she was totally responsible for that.

Cool that you would equate "no harm done" to being raped.

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11-20-2017 , 08:00 PM

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Vagine

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So you are now equivalating sexual assault with 2 guys in a dick measuring contest. Wp

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11-20-2017 , 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjou812

If you are willing to tell a stranger **** you to his face, you may want to be on the lookout for a left jab. I would bet you are one of those people who believes violence should never be used to resolve disputes between humans.

Violence should be a last resort.

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11-21-2017 , 02:41 AM

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Howard Beale

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Not everyone is the same, some fly off the handle bypassing all judgement and '**** you' is a trigger for initiating just that sort of thing. This shouldn't be that hard: Say '**** you' to a stranger, don't be incredulous that you get smacked a bit.

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11-21-2017 , 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by theorangeone

So this girl was wearing a skirt so short you could see the whole thing. What was she thinking after she sued the guy after he raped her, she was totally responsible for that.

Did you miss the whole "no harm done" part or do you think that is a possibility in a rape case?

Spew, I think the guy that went physical first here was unjustified but not a total surprise given OP went immediately from 0-60 with his **** you comment(s). The list of **** i am willing to still fight over probably includes some verbal stuff, but i have removed poker table quabbles, alcohol spillage and sports team rivalries from the list in my old age and usual resolve those with rounds of beer. But with no injuries, as here, no need for further hassle in order to save the downtrodden from the lunatic, criminal mastermind.

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11-21-2017 , 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jjjou812

You seem to think verbal disputes should never/do not ever escalate to physical ones.

. . .

I would bet you are one of those people who believes violence should never be used to resolve disputes between humans.

As to the first part, "do not" is incorrect. "Should not" is correct.

And of course I am "one of those people" who thinks violence should not be used to resolve a verbal altercation. I never would have guessed that there were so many primitive thinkers on 2+2 who believe violence is an acceptable solution to a verbal altercation.

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11-21-2017 , 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vagine

It is about personal responsibility and the op was very responsible for the altercation. Sueing the "villain" and trying to ruin his life, after no harm was done, is disgusting and vindictive.

I already addressed your false dichotomy of reporting the incident to the authorities being equivalent to ruining the criminal's life, but I guess it needs to be repeated: his life would not be ruined if there were not a history of him doing things like this. But reporting creates a record that can show in the future that this is a pattern for him if he does it again.

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