I feel that the piece of this that makes me want to label this as an angle over any other situation that I would consider a "false tell" is the idea that it's involving the dealer or some other authority to force the action the player genuinely wants to make.



I would never question someone's morals for raising in a spot like you describe where a player makes a genuine error during the course of play. That's like recovering a fumble that you could easily run into the endzone for the touchdown, but you walk real slow letting them catch you so you can somehow "earn it like a real sportsman" or something. It's not your fault they made an error and you should (and I do) expect them to do everything within the rules of the game to win. Save the morals discussion for the ambiguous wishy-washy in between areas like purposely angling. Maybe it's my golf background or my old fashioned upbringing in general, but I don't think you should question your morals if you're staying within the spirit of the rules.

In so many threads we say that in poker our thoughts and decisions shouldn't be results orientated, but I think in this case here I will let the results of the hand sway me more towards seeing this as a successful angle.

Certainly an interesting spot and Greg can only do so much in describing the behavior of our V(?) in this case, but when a Player shows up with the nuts (or close to it in DNegs case shown PF) we probably naturally lean towards the stretching of 'accepted' game play. GL

Yeah for the me the line between misdirection or false tell and angle is when it involves a ruling.

So DN "accidentally" raising huge and claiming it was a misclick - not an angle.
The guy who said raise and put in calling chips - angle - he was relying on the ruling to "force" him to raise.
The guy here who put out too much for a call - angle - he was relying on a ruling to "force" him to raise

The big reason for the distinction is that rules can vary from place to place. In some places more than half will force a min-raise and in others it would have to be a full raise or it's a call. The angler who knows the local rule well can take unfair advantage of an opponent who might not know the rule well.

Isn't this the old Phil Laak move?

it's a move that predates card games