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10-21-2017 , 07:38 PM

CupOfSalt

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$1/$3 no limit...

On the river, villain throws out a $5 chip and says "I bet the pot".

Is that reverse psychology or an angle? Or both?

In any case, what do you do if this happens? Obviously only the $5 bet stands.
Or if villain has value they bet out like $50 and say the same thing, "I bet the pot" knowing the $50 bet will stand.

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10-21-2017 , 08:01 PM

EfromPegTown

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You aren’t playing pot limit, saying “I bet pot” isn’t a binding bet in NL.

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10-21-2017 , 08:04 PM

CupOfSalt

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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown

You aren’t playing pot limit, saying “I bet pot” isn’t a binding bet in NL.

That's the point... Did you read all of the post? I posted that obviously only the chips put out is going to stand.

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10-21-2017 , 08:26 PM

MikeStarr

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I do whatever I would do if he hadn't said anything.

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10-21-2017 , 08:57 PM

King Spew

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Clarify please:

Is it......

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Originally Posted by CupOfSalt

On the river, villain throws out a $5 chip and 'THEN' says "I bet the pot".

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10-21-2017 , 08:58 PM

CupOfSalt

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Originally Posted by King Spew

Clarify please:

As he tosses out the bet, he says "I bet the pot". Or before he tosses out the chip. Same way if he was tossing out the $5 chip and said "raise". No issue with that.

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10-21-2017 , 09:32 PM

Ray Zee

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i would just sit there. if i had a lousy hand i would just say call the 5 bet.
if i had a good hand i might make some comment that would lead him to bet that amount.

generally as i always say, wait until the action is clear before you do anything.

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10-21-2017 , 09:34 PM

Ray Zee

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ive also seen where someone did this and the floorman came over and made him put the pot sized bet in.
so basically say or do what gives you the best result from his ambiguous play.

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10-21-2017 , 09:52 PM

Reducto

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Several possibilities here:
1) He's a drunk PLO player who thought he really was betting pot
2) He's just being silly and knows the words meant nothing
3) He's weak and trying to look like he was strong enough to bet big on the river

#3 could be called an angle but I don't see it being all that effective.

What I do depends on whether I believe it was an angle. If it was an angle he's probably weak, so do whatever you'd do knowing a player has at best a bluff catcher. The only time I'd raise any sort of stink is if the dealer announces the bet as anything other than $5.

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10-21-2017 , 10:36 PM

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Dick Tracy

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What happened after he made his bet? Did you or the dealer correct him? Just curious to know how he handled himself and the situation.

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10-21-2017 , 10:39 PM

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CupOfSalt

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Originally Posted by Reducto

That's why I was thinking it'd be a sick angle if villain did it with the nuts. Casually puts out a value bet of say 1/3 pot but said "I bet the pot". In the event a floor rules (very rare bad ruling) that they're held to the pot, obviously they're fine with it. But when the amount of chips put in stands as the bet, they're okay with that too.

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10-21-2017 , 10:52 PM

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CupOfSalt

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Originally Posted by Dick Tracy

What happened after he made his bet? Did you or the dealer correct him? Just curious to know how he handled himself and the situation.

It didn't actually happen, this is a hypothetical situation. Something I thought of.

I'm a dealer, I would immediately say that you can't bet pot in no-limit and that the amount of chips put in stands as the bet. If they argued, I would call the floor.

But I was thinking how that would be sick angle.

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10-21-2017 , 11:24 PM

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Reducto

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Originally Posted by CupOfSalt

In the event a floor rules (very rare bad ruling) that they're held to the pot, obviously they're fine with it. But when the amount of chips put in stands as the bet, they're okay with that too.

Yeah I missed option #4 - he's hoping nobody will say anything until after he gets called then he can try to say it was $5 if he lost or pot if he won. I'd probably say something like "That's a $5 bet right?" and get confirmation from the dealer before acting.

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10-22-2017 , 09:20 AM

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leavesofliberty

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I'd interpret it as a stupid joke, and get the dealer to clarify the bet size regardless of my holdings, and give a facepalm.

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10-22-2017 , 11:49 AM

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Robot9999

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Guy says " I bet the pot"
Dealer says " that is not a valid bet"
Can the guy now check or is he committed to at least a min bet?

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10-22-2017 , 05:31 PM

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Ray Zee

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you never know what a floor would rule here. from min bet or the pot. or even let him check. thats why you just sit there and dont move until its clear what the bet is.

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10-22-2017 , 05:36 PM

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Ray Zee

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the follow up question is what if the opponent says call? then how does the floor rule if he doesnt put in the pot size bet.
who knows.

thats why even though verbal is binding it is had to enforce if the player refuses to honor his verbal bet. and i wait until the chips are in before i act unless its someone i play with a lot and trust.

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10-22-2017 , 05:51 PM

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CupOfSalt

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

Well I think the dealer should immediately say "Wait" and inform the player that the pot sized bet does not stand.

Personally I would call the floor after that happened and see if they hold him to the chips he put in the middle or what. I would rule that the chips stand.

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10-22-2017 , 06:11 PM

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madlex

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

you never know what a floor would rule here. from min bet or the pot.

I don't think a min bet of $3 would be a reasonable ruling after the guy put in a $5 chip?

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10-22-2017 , 06:48 PM

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Ray Zee

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okay madlex 5 bucks then. feel better.

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10-23-2017 , 12:19 AM

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CupOfSalt

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Originally Posted by Ray Zee

okay madlex 5 bucks then. feel better.

Well, I think the chips should stand whether they throw in $5 or $50.

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10-23-2017 , 01:36 AM

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GoneFishing

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JMO:

a) angle? yes

b) $5 bet stands

c) strikes me as a purposeful intent to create an obstacle to action - and (depending on other things you may have seen/heard) - I'd often read as a potential sign of weakness. 100% call........... probably going to raise with strong hand. If I hold nuts, I'd purposely make pot sized bet...

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10-24-2017 , 03:46 PM

#23

Suit

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Originally Posted by CupOfSalt

It could be any number of things. Most importantly, it is a $5 bet.

What should you do? Treat it as a $5 bet.

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10-24-2017 , 04:22 PM

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Ray Zee

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and if you dont want it to be a 5 dollar bet call the floor and see if you can get a better decision. that what they are there for to make decisons. sometimes they work in your favor. this case it cant get worse.
otherwise you give the bettor a freeroll. say the player said call quickly and threw in the pot sized bet. if he has the nuts he shuts up if he is beat he laughs and says it is only 5 dollars.