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Originally Posted by borg23
except it's not the rule and it makes no sense.
the dealer is supposed to enforce the rules on what can be bet- no disagreement there.
player A bets 300, the pot has 500 in it -
"how much is in the pot?" in no way shape or form has anything to do with the dealer enforcing any rules. it is 100 pct so the player facing a 300 dollar bet can figure out his pot odds.
if the player asked "can he bet that much?" a simple yes or no has everything to do with enforcing the rules.
if we're playing 40/80 limit and you try and bet 120 on the river the dealer will correct you. he won't tell me how much is in the pot after he does correct you.
players won't pay more attention if you make them-i'm not at all worried about that.my approach won't slow the game down at all.
the bolded is an absurd statement.it completely helps someone play their hand.
1. Well, it certainly is the rule in most places where I've played ( mostly LV and East Coast). Perhaps your experience differs?
2. At least we agree on what the dealer's reaction to an overbet should be.
3. FWIW, a lot of times, the question has nothing directly to do with pot odds on a call, but is simply a player (often not facing a bet) trying to decide whether to make a full pot-sized bet or something smaller.
4. But anyway, viewed in the broadest terms,
of course giving a player
any info might be of some assistance in playing his hand. But there is some info to which the player is entitled, anyway. "How much is the bet?" "Is he allin?", "How many bills is he playing", "Can I raise?", "How much would a minraise be?", "What was that just-exposed card?", "If I call, can V2 reraise?" "Was that a straddle or a raise?", etc., etc., are all examples of questions which are generally required to be answered; and obviously the answers to these might help a player play his hand. But just as obviously, they are all examples of info to which the player is entitled, and it is not considered inappropriate when the dealer answers.
In a pot-limit game, the pot size is clearly critical, much more so than in limit or even NL. IME, players are entitled to know the size of the pot and the dealer is required to furnish the pot size if asked, at least where I've played. Granted that the players should learn to keep track of this themselves, and granted this is different than in NL or limit, but it is the rule in at least many places. I don't see this as a bad thing, but I guess you do.
5. If the dealer isn't allowed to reveal the pot size (which I haven't seen), or if the dealer can't do this because of inattention or inexperience (which I do see often), and the player who asked then has to mentally reconstruct the betting, it does slow the game down a bit, IME.
Anyway, there are a lot more infuriating things about PLO than this, IME.