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Secondly, we're already hearing some of the new rooms are planning to charge up to $6+1(bad beat) up to 10%. AC may shine to some extent by executing better and competing favorably on cost/rake.

Can you cite a source for this?

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05-09-2010 , 08:56 AM

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borgatabud

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Originally Posted by tycho_bray

Can you cite a source for this?

Someone i played with recently claimed to be a poker dealer instructor in PA and that the company they worked for planned on 6+1. So it could be a little flimsy. We'll see.

Looks like Del Park will be 4+1 so that's 'good'.

Have you heard anything regarding Hollywood NE of Harrisburg?

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05-09-2010 , 10:47 AM

#153

One Big Ass

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Originally Posted by borgatabud

We need a Northeast poker rake thread.

It appears that Charles Town WV will also be 6+1.

I hope there are enough 4+1 casinos around to compete with the 6+1 casinos before that becomes standard for everywhere.

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05-09-2010 , 11:40 AM

#154

tycho_bray

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Originally Posted by One Big Ass

Uh oh. Charles Town and Hollywood in Grantville, PA are both owns by Penn National, right?

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05-09-2010 , 12:05 PM

#155

One Big Ass

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Originally Posted by tycho_bray

Uh oh. Charles Town and Hollywood in Grantville, PA are both owns by Penn National, right?

I think so, and they both have a competitive advantage = their location not being so close to all those eastern PA/DE/NJ competitors, they should own the Central PA/Western MD market and have a good inroad to the DC market.

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05-09-2010 , 02:11 PM

#156

joboggi

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OK, I am doing this as I type.

30 hands an hour $4 a hand net $120 an hour or $12 for each player.

30 hands and hour. $6 a hand. net $180 an hour or $18 for each player, per hour.

That is $60 over a 10 hour session.

I pick the $4 and not the $6. $5 works out to $30 over a 10 hour session. Since I go to AC for more than one day, it is also advantageous to continue going there, if they stay at $4 and their competition goes to five or higher.

Now, you wonder what kind of games are left in AC. We will have to see. Net, I like the shore.

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05-09-2010 , 02:26 PM

#157

RDP3081

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I do not believe Atlantic City has to worry about Pennsylvania casinos, especially if they are proposing a $6 rake. However, I do believe AC has to worry about their customer base that comes from Delaware and Maryland. These players now have a much shorter commute to a poker room with a rake the same as AC. It will be interesting to see if AC increases marketing (more offers) to these players, or if they just let it go.

Personally, I am 20 minutes from two casinos in DE. In the past, I visited AC 8-10 times a year. Now with DE having poker, I will probably play in DE once a week, and visit Atlantic City maybe once a year.

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05-09-2010 , 03:05 PM

#158

joboggi

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I get as many rooms as I need in AC. The only thing they could do is make them free instead of $13.

We will see. If it is a push, I will go to AC. But they do have to have enough players. If there are only curmudgeonly tight players left, then well, that will take care of poker in AC, for the most part.

I suspect that going to del or AC will be essentially the same cost for a three to four day trip, and frankly, who would want to go to Del for more than one day. really.

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05-09-2010 , 05:38 PM

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StackerBA

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Originally Posted by RDP3081

I do not believe Atlantic City has to worry about Pennsylvania casinos, especially if they are proposing a $6 rake.

People who play predominantly slots and table games and only dabble in poker will likely go to the closer casino and not care/know about the higher rakes.

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05-10-2010 , 08:52 AM

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runLOLArun

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Returned late last night from 3 day trip to Borgata. Spent time not only at Borg, but also at Taj and Harrahs. All 3 were extremely busy, poker room, tables, restaurants, clubs. Hard to believe these places are losing any kind of significant revenue. Yeah, during weekdays AC is much less crowded but you would think weekend business would make up for that being as mobbed as the casinos were, and it's not even summer/beach season there yet.

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05-10-2010 , 10:06 AM

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TheTalkingMule

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Was at Harrah's Saturday night and it was pathetically slow. The 8:15pm $105+20 got 40 people and it should've had about 80 considering it was a Saturday. No line for 1-2 that I noticed all night until I left at midnight. I would say they're at their lowest point in this economic downturn and the Philly casinos will only make it far worse.

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05-11-2010 , 12:58 PM

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runLOLArun

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Originally Posted by TheTalkingMule

Was at Harrah's Saturday night and it was pathetically slow.

You must be talking about their poker room only, right? Otherwise Harrahs was slamming! My gf couldn't get on any of the slots she likes because they were all being played. The line to the pool party was a mile long, and there were no empty seats at any of the table games. Borgata was worse! Their poker room had a wait, all slots and tables full, even the B-Bar was impossible to get into, not to mention the 90 minute wait to get into Mixx. Taj seemed the most mellow, but still crowded.

Also cant wait for the mechanical bull thats being installed in the wild west lol

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05-11-2010 , 06:37 PM

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TheTalkingMule

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Originally Posted by runLOLArun

You must be talking about their poker room only, right? Otherwise Harrahs was slamming!

That's what was so crazy. The garage was packed to the gills so I'm expecting like 80+ for the 8pm tourney. They barely got 40. There was probably a rational reason though.

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05-11-2010 , 09:08 PM

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TheTalkingMule

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Not sure if this was posted already, but apparently Sugarhouse won't have a poker room until their next phase of expansion.

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"We're looking at a mid-September opening," said Wendy Hamilton, the property's newly minted general manager. The projection is a departure from the original July target.

"We lost some time to the snow," she explained, "but we're working hard to make it up." Not that it would really matter to Hamilton and her minions in the long run.

"I'm not concerned about the lost time," she said. "We'd love to be open tomorrow but don't think it's a big deal."

Like all Pennsylvania casinos, SugarHouse was conceived as a slots-only operation. But since table games have been approved by Harrisburg, they'll be part of the equation when the gambling den opens it doors.

"We definitely all kind of hoped [the legislation] was coming, and when the bill finally came through, we threw the plans in the air and said, 'Get out the eraser!' said Hamilton, a Philadelphia native who grew up in several local suburbs.

"We took some slots out and replaced them with tables. There will be about 1,700 slots and 42 table games."

While blackjack, craps and roulette will be offered immediately, would-be Phil Iveys will have to wait a little longer.

"We're not going to have poker initially, because we won't have the space," Hamilton offered. That, she added, will come as soon as the economy allows for the first wave of a hoped-for expansion that includes a parking garage. SugarHouse will open with surface parking only for 2,000 cars.

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05-11-2010 , 09:56 PM

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btr5017

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http://www.pgcb.state.pa.us/?p=170
Somebody posted this in another thread, if you look at the petitions for each it shows the breakdown of tables they are requesting. Sugarhouse is indeed not requesting poker to start. Harrahs Chester is asking for 12 tables, parx is asking for none to start as well

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05-11-2010 , 11:18 PM

#166

TheTalkingMule

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Talked to an AC dealer this past Saturday who says Sands Bethlehem will have a large room, Parx is planning a huge room that I hear is a go and Harrahs Chester will be 25 tables.

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05-11-2010 , 11:29 PM

#167

btr5017

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Right I had it wrong...Sands is 12 tables, Harrahs Chester is 25

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05-12-2010 , 12:43 AM

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UGotTheTouch

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Originally Posted by btr5017

Yeah, I've talked to Rapini about dragging all the info from the Poker Legislation thread here, but never got around to it.

To add what I was doing there, through the grapevine I've heard that Parx will indeed be opening a poker room, very tentatively scheduled for an August 1st opening. They do still need to put in the paperwork with the state for approval.

The rumor is that the room will be 31 or 37 tables, and is going to be run by Ari (whose last name I'm forgetting) who was day-shift manager at Venetian when it opened, before that the manager at the Hilton in LV, before that and now doing some stuff on the east coast.

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05-14-2010 , 01:04 PM

#169

govman6767

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Originally Posted by kjd001

According to the PA Gaming Control Board, the following casinos have officially been approved for 12 poker tables each:

Sands Casino Resort Bethlehem
Mount Airy Casino Resort
Hollywood Casino at Penn National

Time to move home !!

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05-20-2010 , 12:22 AM

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[x] swanny

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Originally Posted by UGotTheTouch

Parx is asking for ZERO poker tables. Looks like you'll have to go to Chester Downs or the Sands.

Here are the breakdown of proposed table games at the Parx casino.

Number and Types of Table Games
4 Baccarat 12 Blackjack
4 Craps 10 Poker
4 Roulette 1 Baccarat
1 Rapid Roulette iGame
33 Blackjack
6 Blackjack iGame
3 Three Card Poker
2 Three Card Poker iGame
57 Total
80 Total Table Games
Banking Fully Automated
23 Total

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05-20-2010 , 12:24 AM

#171

[x] swanny

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Does anyone know a date of when Pennsylvania is going to go Live with the table games and Poker?

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05-20-2010 , 12:47 AM

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frommagio

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In Pittsburgh, I keep hearing July 4th weekend as a target for both casinos. But I've also heard that's unrealistically optimistic. Also, have heard from several dealers that the Meadows is months ahead of the Rivers in terms of planning, construction, hiring, everything. Still, it's all rumors.

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05-20-2010 , 01:03 AM

#173

[x] swanny

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Originally Posted by frommagio

I have heard that Moeghan Sun is ready to open but the State is not ready for them to open yet. All the Dealers have already completed there classes. I'm not sure if the tables are in place as there was a delay in have the Table Mng licenced. I guess it is in the States court now. Hopefully you are right about the 7/4 opening.

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05-20-2010 , 02:46 AM

#174

Mike_The_Mad

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Originally Posted by Nepa

Parx is asking for ZERO poker tables. Looks like you'll have to go to Chester Downs or the Sands.

Here are the breakdown of proposed table games at the Parx casino.

Number and Types of Table Games
4 Baccarat 12 Blackjack
4 Craps 10 Poker
4 Roulette 1 Baccarat
1 Rapid Roulette iGame
33 Blackjack
6 Blackjack iGame
3 Three Card Poker
2 Three Card Poker iGame
57 Total
80 Total Table Games
Banking Fully Automated
23 Total

Don't I see 10 Poker in there?

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05-20-2010 , 09:05 AM

#175

kjd001

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Originally Posted by Mike_The_Mad

Don't I see 10 Poker in there?

^ http://www.pgcb.state.pa.us/files/me...esentation.pdf

The parx proposal stated 10 Fully Automated poker tables. Their final approved proposal specified 10 Fully Automated Three-Card Poker Tables.

Details of parx casino Table Games Startup Proposal:

Banking Games – 57 total consisting of 39 Blackjack tables, 4 Craps tables, 5 Roulette tables, 5 Three-Card Poker tables and 4 Baccarat tables
Non-Banking Games - none
Fully Automated Electronic Gaming Table- 12 Blackjack, 10 Three-Card Poker and 1 Baccarat
Electronic Gaming Tables - 6 Blackjack, 2 Three-Card Poker and 1 Roulette
Additional Jobs to be Created by Table Games – 385 full-time
Estimated yearly taxes generated to Commonwealth from table play - $14.4 million
Table Games Training – provided at facility

(http://www.pgcb.state.pa.us/?pr=328)

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