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04-11-2012 , 02:20 AM
Played 6 hours of 2/5 NL in AC Sunday PM/monday AM. Tipped $1 every pot I took in, no more and no less, with the exception of my (1) $300 pot, tipped $2. Very rarely got a thank you from the dealers, nor any dirty looks. Felt like I was just donating to a machine to deal poker at a decent rate, which I am fine with. Dealers were fast and efficient, with essentially zero personality. Just sharing my experience. Total session +$432
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04-11-2012 , 06:35 AM
I give $1.00 a hand that sees a flop. A fair dealer should be able to deal 25 hands an hour. If everyone gives the dealer $1.00 a hand, that's $25.00 an hour. ( A lot of people give more than $1.00) Anyway, at $25.00 an hour, that's $4.00 a hour more than I make at my job!
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04-11-2012 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jammit
I give $1.00 a hand that sees a flop. A fair dealer should be able to deal 25 hands an hour. If everyone gives the dealer $1.00 a hand, that's $25.00 an hour. ( A lot of people give more than $1.00) Anyway, at $25.00 an hour, that's $4.00 a hour more than I make at my job!

So you make $21/hr at your job. Do you make that rate no matter what you're doing? When you take a break at the water cooler are you still being paid 21 per hour? How about when you're in the bathroom? Or on the phone with your wife or girlfriend? Or talking to your coworkers about last night's ball game? Are you making 21/hr for that too?

Dealers are only tipped (obviously) for time spent on the tables. But it's not like a dealer can work 8 straight hours on the tables and then go home. And it's not like you'd want them to, either. They'd make more mistakes and their dealing would slow down.

Dealers are also expected to tip out brushes, chip runners, and cashiers in many rooms. And in some rooms, a percentage of a dealer's tips are set aside for floor personnel.

I'm not saying that dealers can't make a fair wage (most do) or that dealers don't have a choice about what to do for a living (they do). Many dealers make a decent living, and many of them enjoy what they do, but none of them are getting rich.
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04-11-2012 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bolt2112
So you make $21/hr at your job. Do you make that rate no matter what you're doing? When you take a break at the water cooler are you still being paid 21 per hour? How about when you're in the bathroom? Or on the phone with your wife or girlfriend? Or talking to your coworkers about last night's ball game? Are you making 21/hr for that too?

Dealers are only tipped (obviously) for time spent on the tables. But it's not like a dealer can work 8 straight hours on the tables and then go home. And it's not like you'd want them to, either. They'd make more mistakes and their dealing would slow down.

Dealers are also expected to tip out brushes, chip runners, and cashiers in many rooms. And in some rooms, a percentage of a dealer's tips are set aside for floor personnel.

I'm not saying that dealers can't make a fair wage (most do) or that dealers don't have a choice about what to do for a living (they do). Many dealers make a decent living, and many of them enjoy what they do, but none of them are getting rich.
So? Do you think anyone gets rich off of 20/hr jobs? No, people put time into side jobs to rake in more funds to allow themselves to be rich. Dealers don't deserve the money they make in my opinion, yet they make more than I do. I work 10x harder than a dealer and make 1/2 of their weekly rate I bet. So quit bitching if you get stiffed, you don't deserve it.
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04-11-2012 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jammit
I give $1.00 a hand that sees a flop. A fair dealer should be able to deal 25 hands an hour. If everyone gives the dealer $1.00 a hand, that's $25.00 an hour. ( A lot of people give more than $1.00) Anyway, at $25.00 an hour, that's $4.00 a hour more than I make at my job!
Ideally, dealer should be getting a minimum of 28 hands an hour, and more like 30-31. On top of that, the big tips that come through during a down generally push the average per hand slightly north of $1.

On the other hand, you're forgetting that dealers are usually in the box 6 hours out of an 8 hour shift. Your figure only applies to the 6 hours they're working, but the average hourly must be calculated over the 8.

Also, why is it relevant what they make as compared to you?
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04-11-2012 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ns71nct
So? Do you think anyone gets rich off of 20/hr jobs? No, people put time into side jobs to rake in more funds to allow themselves to be rich. Dealers don't deserve the money they make in my opinion, yet they make more than I do. I work 10x harder than a dealer and make 1/2 of their weekly rate I bet. So quit bitching if you get stiffed, you don't deserve it.
I'm sure you do. Everyone thinks they work 10x harder than everyone else, so this type of statement is silly, juvenile, and worthless.

Again, comparisons between what dealers make and what people at the table make are irrelevant. They have no place in this discussion. Tip if you like, or don't tip, entirely up to you, no one is forcing anyone to do one thing one way or another. But it's disrespectful to dictate that they don't "deserve" XYZ because you happen to be irate about your current salary.
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04-11-2012 , 06:31 PM
I still can't believe the guy tipped a buck and rarely heard thank you. Disgraceful.
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04-11-2012 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffawesome
I still can't believe the guy tipped a buck and rarely heard thank you. Disgraceful.
Agreed. A dealer who doesn't acknowledge every single tip, no matter the amount, with a thank you, doesn't deserve to be tipped at all.
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04-11-2012 , 08:41 PM
How much should tipping standards change when it's a game that the dealer of the game is also the one running the game? (Fwiw people in the game seem to be tipping about on par as people would at a casino)
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04-11-2012 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ns71nct
So? Do you think anyone gets rich off of 20/hr jobs? No, people put time into side jobs to rake in more funds to allow themselves to be rich. Dealers don't deserve the money they make in my opinion, yet they make more than I do. I work 10x harder than a dealer and make 1/2 of their weekly rate I bet. So quit bitching if you get stiffed, you don't deserve it.
You're not contributing anything to the discussion with ridiculous statements like the one above. If you're working 10x harder than a dealer and making 0.5x what they make, you're a straight-up sucker or you lack the intelligence to hold a job that can make you a living with which you'll be satisfied.

Learn how to deal and start working a tenth as hard for double the money.
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04-12-2012 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeffawesome
I still can't believe the guy tipped a buck and rarely heard thank you. Disgraceful.
Not sure if I sense a bit of sarcasm here, but, atleast 10 of the 15 tips did not get a word, just dropped into the toke. Whether that is disgraceful or not is up for you to decide, and whether I am a cheap ass or not is your decision as well. I am 100% consistent in the $1 per pot, $2 for anything over $200. I do not make my living my being the biggest tipper at the table, I make it by leaving with more chips than I bought in for on a consistent basis.
Off to the tables...
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04-12-2012 , 06:31 AM
literally no sarcasm at all. I always 100% of the time say thank you. I get paranoid if i dont say it right away. this is how i feed my family, its something i appreciate and am grateful for. sorry for any confusion
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04-12-2012 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 1ns71nct
So? Do you think anyone gets rich off of 20/hr jobs? No, people put time into side jobs to rake in more funds to allow themselves to be rich. Dealers don't deserve the money they make in my opinion, yet they make more than I do. I work 10x harder than a dealer and make 1/2 of their weekly rate I bet. So quit bitching if you get stiffed, you don't deserve it.
I may have missed it, but what is your job? Would you please tell us lazy-ass dealers what it is you do all day that is 10x harder than what we do? And worth so much more?

BTW, if you really DO work 10x harder, and make so much less money, maybe you should smarten up a bit and find another vocation.

P.S. I don't feel that the castmembers of 'Jersey Shore' should be making tens of thousands of dollars for each episode on t.v. But, somehow they've all made "jobs" out of the show. And are getting paid handsomely for it. Instead of being jealous and bitter, I'll say "More power to them."
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04-12-2012 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bolt2112
Agreed. A dealer who doesn't acknowledge every single tip, no matter the amount, with a thank you, doesn't deserve to be tipped at all.
I have never once failed to say thank you after a tip. FWIW I am also an instructor at a dealer school in LA and tip appreciation is ground into each student.
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04-12-2012 , 12:32 PM
I love how nobody considers other circumstances why I can't deal. Plus I don't want to deal, more money in poker. Thanks for the flame though, keep going.

<3 the dealers who think they deserve it, if you are a hard working dealer and I can tell, I'll tip you. If you are just some schmuck doing this as a side job, notice why your tip box only has 1 dollar chips and is only 1/4 filled after a full night.
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04-12-2012 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bolt2112
Agreed. A dealer who doesn't acknowledge every single tip, no matter the amount, with a thank you, doesn't deserve to be tipped at all.
well if we followed that rule just about no dealer at the commerce would be getting tips from anyone.
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04-12-2012 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ns71nct
So? Do you think anyone gets rich off of 20/hr jobs? No, people put time into side jobs to rake in more funds to allow themselves to be rich. Dealers don't deserve the money they make in my opinion, yet they make more than I do. I work 10x harder than a dealer and make 1/2 of their weekly rate I bet. So quit bitching if you get stiffed, you don't deserve it.
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Originally Posted by 1ns71nct
I love how nobody considers other circumstances why I can't deal. Plus I don't want to deal, more money in poker. Thanks for the flame though, keep going.

<3 the dealers who think they deserve it, if you are a hard working dealer and I can tell, I'll tip you. If you are just some schmuck doing this as a side job, notice why your tip box only has 1 dollar chips and is only 1/4 filled after a full night.
So...you encourage people to have side jobs, just not as dealers? You say there are circumstances that prevent you from dealing. Does that mean you wanted to deal at one point? Not sure why you would say that otherwise.

Might I ask what your job is that is so difficult and makes no money? Or why you haven't chosen to find a better one?
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04-12-2012 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JDiamond364
So...you encourage people to have side jobs, just not as dealers? You say there are circumstances that prevent you from dealing. Does that mean you wanted to deal at one point? Not sure why you would say that otherwise.

Might I ask what your job is that is so difficult and makes no money? Or why you haven't chosen to find a better one?
I encourage a side job if it's feasible, just don't take the job and put no effort into learning how to speed your game up. If you fall under the side job/not progressing dealer, don't expect a tip, because I can spot you from a mile away.

My job is pathetic, low-end peon job, I am a spot in painter. I have not looked for a different job because I have under a month left and I don't think it would be worth my time to look for a job just for a month. I am moving out of the country in 6 months as well so no need to learn how to deal. I will play cards.
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04-12-2012 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 1ns71nct
My job is pathetic, low-end peon job, I am a spot in painter. I have not looked for a different job because I have under a month left and I don't think it would be worth my time to look for a job just for a month. I am moving out of the country in 6 months as well so no need to learn how to deal. I will play cards.
I've never worked as a spot in painter, but I do work as a poker dealer. And I painted my parents' house (well part of it anyway) when I was a teenager. And I also painted the inside of my apartment a few years ago.

So I'm gonna go ahead and state with near 100% certainty that your job is not 10x harder than being a dealer. For one thing, you don't have to do any math. For another thing, you don't have to deal with customers who can be drunk, difficult, and/or ornery. And last of all, you don't really have to do any multi-tasking when you paint. But I will agree that your job is probably 10x more boring than mine and 10x more sucky.


*** Edit added after the fact***

Don't take my last paragraph to mean that I think my job is terribly difficult. Prior to working as a poker dealer, I had a "real" job in the financial sector, wearing a tie to work and working Monday to Friday from 9 to 5 (more like 8:30 to 6:30). For the most part I enjoy working as a dealer, and for the most part my job is pretty easy. Calculating rake and sidepots take a little practice, but once you get the hang of it, it's automatic and requires minimal brainpower. The only difficult part of my job is dealing with players who act entitled and are difficult every time they get an opportuntity.

As a professional dealer who strives to behave professionally, I'm forced to bite my tongue when my first instinct is to tell these player's what I really think. But most players are friendly and appreciative and the jerks are an anomaly. I'm grateful to have a job that I enjoy and to be around poker and get paid for it. I was a major poker enthusiast before I ever became a dealer.

Last edited by bolt2112; 04-12-2012 at 03:54 PM. Reason: Additional Thought
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04-12-2012 , 03:51 PM
Spot in painting is different than painting, math is not hard and neither is dealing with people.
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04-12-2012 , 03:57 PM
Please explain why you think that your job is "10x" harder than dealing, and why you feel that you're unique in thinking this way.

If you're leaving the country in 6 months and don't care, and also don't care about your job because you apparently create side income via playing instead of dealing, please explain your vicious crusade against dealers. No one understands why you care so much. If you don't want to tip, that's cool, you don't have to, and no one will force you to. But you seem to have an insane level of hatred for the job for no reason.
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04-12-2012 , 04:00 PM
This part of the discussion belongs somewhere else. Anywhere else.
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04-12-2012 , 04:51 PM
Get back on track
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04-12-2012 , 06:28 PM
I think that when people tip like $20 or more in a game like $1/2 they should reach in their pockets rather than taking the money off the table imo.
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04-12-2012 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jmurjeff
I think that when people tip like $20 or more in a game like $1/2 they should reach in their pockets rather than taking the money off the table imo.
If someone did take a $20 out of their pocket and tip a dealer, there would be someone here claiming that wasn't right.
Because:
Taking that $20 out of their pocket reduces the available money that player has available to use a rebuy, the latent function being reducing the amount and opponent would win when they (presumably)felt that player again.
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