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Old 09-18-2018, 06:41 PM   #1
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Tired :o

I feel like I just have wrong mentality ..seeing pro players for 12years(started at ~15) winning millions is still crazy to me while Im trying to pay bills lol...am I doomed or something ? I can never beat lowstakes my max buy-in in 12 yrs was like 22$ Im introvert who always at home that`s why poker would be awesome type of activity and income for me,that`s why I actually didn`t give up yet.Thx if got some advice.
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:06 PM   #2
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Re: Tired :o

If your 27 now then you still have a lot of time to get what you want out of poker. Your not doomed. Beating low-stakes in todays online ecosystem is hard, but itis definitely achievable. I have always listened to podcasts with pro players and one thing that i have noticed is that many of them tell stories about struggling for a long time before they started winning. One of the best examples is the 2+2 post that doug polk made in the mid 2000's. He had been loosing deposits at micro-stakes for a long time and the post says something like: i feel hopeless, i dont understand how people can beat this game, i want to quit, etc. Now a decade later he has made something like 15 million.
IMO once you learn how to win at any given stake level (the strat, bankroll, software, mental game, game selection, etc) playing the game becomes much more enjoyable and profitable. I think of it as 'breaking through,' suddenly you have some momentum and you feel capable of winning (because you are). getting the ball rolling is the hardest part: once you start winning a little money, you win a little more, then some more, then you move up, etc. those little tiny wins add up quick when you put in hours. one of the hardest things is just having the discipline not to chase losses or jump up stakes and try to make money back.

I think the best investment a poker player can make into their career/hobby is to get a monthly membership to a training site, and play microstakes trying to make enough every month to pay for the subscription. run it once is the best site by far. You have many years of experience which is great, you have a huge knowledge base to draw from.

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Old 09-22-2018, 05:26 PM   #3
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Re: Tired :o

play live if you got the money for it
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Old 09-24-2018, 04:09 AM   #4
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many of them tell stories about struggling for a long time before they started winning. One of the best examples is the 2+2 post that doug polk made in the mid 2000's. He had been loosing deposits at micro-stakes for a long time and the post says something like: i feel hopeless, i dont understand how people can beat this game, i want to quit, etc. Now a decade later he has made something like 15 million.
OTOH, how many tens or hundreds of thousands of players have bust out and never achieved anything?

OP. You might be an introvert, but that doesn't mean you can't make a career for yourself outside your bedroom. One of the reasons I quit poker was because I'm an introvert by nature and for a while working at home playing poker was ideal. However, humans are still social animals - we need connectedness to self-actualise regardless of whether we are introverted or extroverted, and ultimately never seeing anyone for days at a time started to take it's toll on my mental health.

So, think about what you want to do for the next 20-30 years, and start making plans to do it.
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Old 09-24-2018, 02:41 PM   #5
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OTOH, how many tens or hundreds of thousands of players have bust out and never achieved anything?

OP. You might be an introvert, but that doesn't mean you can't make a career for yourself outside your bedroom. One of the reasons I quit poker was because I'm an introvert by nature and for a while working at home playing poker was ideal. However, humans are still social animals - we need connectedness to self-actualise regardless of whether we are introverted or extroverted, and ultimately never seeing anyone for days at a time started to take it's toll on my mental health.

So, think about what you want to do for the next 20-30 years, and start making plans to do it.
Yeah the majority do bust.

What I really waNt to communicate to OP is that the poker culture/industry is based on winning and success. What nobody seems to talk about is how much struggle there is. Players talk about their winning sessions, but they keep their losing sessions to themselves.

When we see famous players on TV or read about the latest tournament they won we are only getting a microscopic piece of the story, the reality is that every winning player has suffered and lost especially at the beginning of their career. This is true almost without exception. If you dig into the stories of any good player you will find that they were losing players for a long time, and that they have lost almost everything at some point.

The struggle is a normal part of the game. Since poker is a solitary endeavor it is easy to feel defeated and like it is impossible to win consistently.

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Old 09-26-2018, 09:10 PM   #6
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today again i deppd 20$ was up to 50$ and to 0 like always i usually play omaha hu 20$ is kinda big deal for me cuz i locate in ukraine-_-
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Old 09-26-2018, 09:12 PM   #7
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i know its all my brain its just don`t made for a good life ,more like for existing no wonder my country one of the poorest

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Old 09-27-2018, 03:34 AM   #8
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today again i deppd 20$ was up to 50$ and to 0 like always i usually play omaha hu 20$ is kinda big deal for me cuz i locate in ukraine-_-
If you lost your bankroll for one day, you must have don't know about bankroll managment.
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Old 09-27-2018, 03:43 AM   #9
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i know its all my brain its just don`t made for a good life ,more like for existing no wonder my country one of the poorest
I'm from Russia. Your people so proud that you cutting all ties with us - the country that you trading most with. Instead you taking loans from U.S. or whatever. Ukraine shooting in your own leg here.
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Old 10-01-2018, 07:22 PM   #10
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I'm from Russia. Your people so proud that you cutting all ties with us - the country that you trading most with. Instead you taking loans from U.S. or whatever. Ukraine shooting in your own leg here.
this is why RT.com and Foxnews.com are destroying the world. terrible propaganda

Ukraine wants to join NATO - i say let them! let russia worry about israel blowing up its planes, thats more concerning
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:49 AM   #11
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I feel like I just have wrong mentality ..seeing pro players for 12years(started at ~15) winning millions is still crazy to me while Im trying to pay bills lol...am I doomed or something ? I can never beat lowstakes my max buy-in in 12 yrs was like 22$ Im introvert who always at home that`s why poker would be awesome type of activity and income for me,that`s why I actually didn`t give up yet.Thx if got some advice.
If you're playing poker these days, from the microstakes, looking to make it you have to seriously consider if it is a good use of your time. There was a period when the ceiling in poker was high and quite easily achievable.

Please be aware one thing: we live in the era of the internet. There are thousands of ways to make a good living if you're willing to put in the graft.

What you have to ask yourself is what do you want to be doing in 5/10/20 years time
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Old 10-07-2018, 12:12 AM   #12
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Re: Tired :o

Did you ever had a good coach? I mean very good. I can bet you are just repeating your same mistakes years over years
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:26 AM   #13
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Heads up isn't a good choice if you have a small bankroll i think.
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