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Old 12-01-2011, 07:12 PM   #1
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A way to know you're degening it up at the tables.

I'm gonna make an assumption:
When you feel inclined to disbelieve people close to you, that are otherwise truthful, it's probably a sign of a declining poker game.

Obviously, this applies more to people that play massive amount of hands, like online multi-tablers.
I've got a good example, but won't share everything, because it's not one of my proudest moments.

Anyway, my mother asked me to do the "1st thing", because of the "2nd thing".
I thought she was lying about the "2nd thing" just to get me to do the "1st thing".
After that, I thought she was lying because she didn't want me to do the "1st thing" at all.

I know it sounds very cryptic, but bear with me.
I ignored the fact my mother almost never lies, because the circumstances (2nd thing) could point towards lying. That's a degen move.

If I translate this to poker, I was out-leveling myself. She is a passive villain who we can beat most of the time, plays honestly and
we have an outstanding hand sample. But the board and action (circumstances) so far could suggest villain is trying to bluff us.
Villain shoves, we call and see our hand doesn't hold. Why did we make such a degen move?

Once I saw my mother wasn't lying, I soon realized I was calling too much on the tables and that the two correlate.

Yea, I know that poker thinking correlating with real life is old news, but has anyone applied it like that yet?
What are your thoughts? Can anyone confirm what I said? Anyone feel I'm wrong?
Obviously, I'm impressed to be able to figure out stuff like that.
However, I wouldn't be so surprised if it's not true for everyone or someone already wrote the book.

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Old 12-01-2011, 07:18 PM   #2
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Re: A way to know you're degening it up at the tables.

You're freakin' weird man...

And btw, playing poker for money while living with your mom is also degen behavior, just an FYI
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Old 12-01-2011, 07:42 PM   #3
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Re: A way to know you're degening it up at the tables.

Why am I weird, man?
I really noticed leaning toward "I'm being lied to" when calling a little too much.
How is playing poker for money while living with your mom a degen behavior?
EDIT: I'm a profitable player, last deposit over 3 months ago.

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Old 12-01-2011, 08:01 PM   #4
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Re: A way to know you're degening it up at the tables.

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Why am I weird, man?
I really noticed leaning toward "I'm being lied to" when calling a little too much.
How is playing poker for money while living with your mom a degen behavior?
EDIT: I'm a profitable player, last deposit over 3 months ago.
I can say the same exact thing. My last deposit was also 3 months ago. I've made $227.49 since then playing poker. I have made $7516.80 plus $783 from 30 hrs of OT one week plus $432 from our quarterly incentive check at my crappy $17.40/hr job in those same three months before taxes raped the ever living god out of me. Granted, I'm obviously a big bad tough guy at $1-$5 games only and couldn't be more small time if I tried, but I think I'd be in trouble if I took poker seriously and weren't on my own with a stable dependable income to go along with it.

Honestly, not trying to talk trash. Just saying, real life success is probably a much better goal than poker success. You can succeed at poker whether or not you live with your mom. You cannot necessarily succeed at life though by doing well at poker while still depending on your parents. I'm probably making alot of assumptions... I've just had alot of friends in my circle who never grew up, didn't think they had to go get real jobs, and thought they'd grind their way out of their mom's basements. The only one of them that is currently successful by any means is the one who went to school for Web Design and coincidentally he's the only one in my group besides myself who is a winning player. Only difference is he does way better than I do.
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Old 12-01-2011, 08:12 PM   #5
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Re: A way to know you're degening it up at the tables.

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I can say the same exact thing. My last deposit was also 3 months ago. I've made $227.49 since then playing poker. I have made $7516.80 plus $783 from 30 hrs of OT one week plus $432 from our quarterly incentive check at my crappy $17.40/hr job in those same three months before taxes raped the ever living god out of me. Granted, I'm obviously a big bad tough guy at $1-$5 games only and couldn't be more small time if I tried, but I think I'd be in trouble if I took poker seriously and weren't on my own with a stable dependable income to go along with it.

Honestly, not trying to talk trash. Just saying, real life success is probably a much better goal than poker success. You can succeed at poker whether or not you live with your mom. You cannot necessarily succeed at life though by doing well at poker while still depending on your parents. I'm probably making alot of assumptions... I've just had alot of friends in my circle who never grew up, didn't think they had to go get real jobs, and thought they'd grind their way out of their mom's basements. The only one of them that is currently successful by any means is the one who went to school for Web Design and coincidentally he's the only one in my group besides myself who is a winning player. Only difference is he does way better than I do.
I'm mooching, because I don't have a job at the moment and make pennies at poker.
I could grind my way out of my mothers basement easily if I had a year. But, I'm gonna get a job soon. Thanks for caring.
I get where you're coming from.
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:17 PM   #6
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Re: A way to know you're degening it up at the tables.

Ok, I've got another one. This one is better.

I finished a prolonged session of poker, where at the end I felt I started calling a little too much, tilted a little.
After that, a relative of mine told me he cancelled his vacation in Indonesia. His gf got some kind of a skin disease and went to see a doctor.
Doctor told her she can't expose too much to sunlight, therefore she can't go. This was a day before departure.
I called bs straight up. Told him I think this story is a lie, couldn't hold myself back. He told me it's true. I thought to myself this is one shady story,
either gf lied to both of us, or he's trying to cover something up. I even brought it up later in the day, wanting to know how they'll get a refund.
He told me they'll get a full refund with doctors note. It still seemed shady.

When my mind cleared, I thought it was a true story. So you see that tilt can follow you from the tables to real life.
Maybe the story above is a better explanation of what I was trying to say in my first post.
Me wanting to know how they'll get a refund is a sign that I still wanted to speculate, like in poker.
You wanna know what hand villain holds, so you call him down.

example: calling an unknown villain's min raise ott with tptk oop, and make an excuse that he's bluffing and
you think he's an aggro fish when you have a too small sample to know. And you want to speculate/degen.
(may not hold true for you, but at the smallest stakes/tables I play it's -ev to call min raise ott vs unknown with tptk)

You see where I'm going with this? Pure gold imo.
Anyone?

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Old 10-20-2017, 02:33 PM   #7
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Re: A way to know you're degening it up at the tables.

yeah baluga theorem is PURE GOLD

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