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08-12-2018 , 02:05 PM
I recently got back into playing poker. I didn't play very much live in the past but grinded the online cash games back in the day.

I'm playing a lot live in 1/2 NL games now and the biggest downfall I see in players is having no patience. They don't seem to realize how many hands you can go through and have nothing really happen, and of course when playing live this translates into hours of just sitting there and not having much happen. Players seem to want to force the action and win right now.

Actually I see more people than I thought I would have a decent sense of how to play the game, but after a few hours they're just dumping chips into the pot in bad spots because they're tired of waiting. Of course not having patience, easily tilting, etc. are major reasons why these games are profitable. You can read all the poker books you want, study away from the tables, put in all the work, etc., but if don't have the ability to have the utmost patience especially in live play, you're done.

Patience is a part of my game I'm always working on. What are your own experiences and issues in dealing with patient play?
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08-17-2018 , 11:42 AM
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What are your own experiences and issues in dealing with patient play?
keeping busy. Not being involved in a hand doesn't mean one has to stop watching what people do. Try to guess people's hole cards. Try to see if your model of how you think they would ply their hands fits. If all else fails - chat with your neighbor on the left
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08-17-2018 , 07:45 PM
Indeed, people are leaking information all the time at the table so there's plenty enough to do!!
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08-19-2018 , 08:50 PM
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Actually I see more people than I thought I would have a decent sense of how to play the game, but after a few hours they're just dumping chips into the pot in bad spots because they're tired of waiting.
great point. Were you at my table today? After showing, once again great patience, I did something that I thankfully don't do that often.
I started getting frustrated, a form of tilt that I have to control better in the future. Frustrated after seeing such horrible players spewing their money to everyone on the table but me because I wasn't getting any cards. That's one reason why you see patient players, after a while, lose it sometimes. And, end up being the spewer.
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08-20-2018 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
great point. Were you at my table today? After showing, once again great patience, I did something that I thankfully don't do that often.
I started getting frustrated, a form of tilt that I have to control better in the future. Frustrated after seeing such horrible players spewing their money to everyone on the table but me because I wasn't getting any cards. That's one reason why you see patient players, after a while, lose it sometimes. And, end up being the spewer.
Indeed!! Patience is the utmost importance and sometimes it's frustrating but we have to sit back and watch others reap the benefits of terrible play. Sometimes we don't get to have the fun. But you know it's only a matter of time where you do get to rake in some great pots. We all just have to remember that money not wasted spewing it away while we are bored or frustrated is just as good as money won!!
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08-21-2018 , 09:31 PM
I recently started learning the short stack strategy for live NLHE. You literally only play 77+, AQso+ and KQs, and even less of those the earlier your position. I've had nights where I've sat there for 3 hours waiting for a playable hand.

I *still* struggle with bordeom tilt as I call it. The BEST cure is the one other posters have already mentioned - pay attention to the rest of the table and try to guess the villains' cards on every hand. By the time I've been shortstacking for 3 or 4 hours and finally double or triple up to a playable stack, now I have 4 hours of solid reads on my opponents to use.

The second cure that I use (and sometimes it works, sometimes boredom trumps intelligence and knowledge) is to really study odds and ranges. A tight player raises in early position and you have AQo on the button. What is AQo's equity against his whole opening range? What is AQo's equity against each individual hand in the range?

Another example - when there's a raise, two callers and I'm on the button with a hand like 76s, it's really really hard for me to fold it - it's so pretty! But what I do is think about what I'm hoping to flop, what is the probability I'm going to flop it, what is the probability I'm going to have to put more money in on the flop before I actually make a hand, what are my implied odds based on my stack size etc.

Knowing just how mathematically horrible a hand is vs. how "pretty" it is (same goes for hands like QTo) can help to minimize the dumb decisions.
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08-22-2018 , 05:47 PM
If you're card-dead for a long time 76s can be an interesting play from early position. You can reasonably represent a made hand on any A or K on the flop with your super-tight image...and if neither of these arrive it's reasonably likely that you'll have at least a draw of some kind.
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08-22-2018 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DalTXColtsFan
I recently started learning the short stack strategy for live NLHE. You literally only play 77+, AQso+ and KQs, and even less of those the earlier your position. I've had nights where I've sat there for 3 hours waiting for a playable hand.
Do you play 1/2 Dal? And, how short do you buy? I play 1/2 and usually buy in for 200. Max is 300.

Saw a Kristy arnnet vlog she did with Tommy Angelo. Some good stuff discussed. I think in future, when I feel even slightly annoyed or frustrated, I'm going to get up and take a little walk.
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08-23-2018 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Do you play 1/2 Dal? And, how short do you buy? I play 1/2 and usually buy in for 200. Max is 300.

Saw a Kristy arnnet vlog she did with Tommy Angelo. Some good stuff discussed. I think in future, when I feel even slightly annoyed or frustrated, I'm going to get up and take a little walk.
I buy in as short as they let me. At most casinos the min buyin is $100. There was a casino in Canada where they let me buy in for $50.
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08-24-2018 , 07:14 AM
Yes the element of patience is all throughout the game. Exploiting opponents is also a game of patience. You notice aspects of their game that you can exploit and take advantage of, but you must wait until the right set of circumstances are in place until you can do that. So you may notice these weaknesses but you still have to sit and be patient until a good situation arises to exploit them.
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09-12-2018 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by antialias
keeping busy. Not being involved in a hand doesn't mean one has to stop watching what people do. Try to guess people's hole cards. Try to see if your model of how you think they would ply their hands fits. If all else fails - chat with your neighbor on the left
This is sound advice.

But honestly dude, sounds like you would benefit a lot from learning about and practicing meditation.

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09-19-2018 , 09:21 PM
Stuck and tilted = impatience = Stuck and tilted
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