When reviewing pot limit omaha hands in holdem manager I'll often see hands where i didn't bet for value on the river, hands like low flushes, say ten or eight high, on paired boards, which when reviewing seem very easy value bets taking into account action ofc.

But in game, these hands are usually checked back because "I better not raise here with a low flush on a paired board where villain might have a full house, so you just check call or check back instead.

What's the difference here?

And why do these bets seem easy in review, while in game not as easy?

This sounds more like a gap in theory than a psychology question, however, perhaps re-framing the decision might help.

When you are checked to on the river HU, your default should be to bet. You're either betting for value, or as you can't win a showdown. There is not a great deal between these two positions.

You seem to understand this, but you are talking yourself out of betting by only finding one reason why you shouldn't bet - and it's a pretty weak reason as a FH should always bet this river OOP for value.

So, learn to think in real time about all the reasons you should bet this spot, rather than finding the one (weak) reason you shouldn't bet.

villain might be c/raising his full house tho? or bluffing with blockers and when he pots its hard to call with say a eight high flush, ok some then the answer is don't bet but overall its +ev to bet i think but yeah when you do get shoved on its meh.

Sure, villain might c/r here, but that's a sub-optimal play for him unless he has a read.

Plus, you can easily check his river c/r % and weigh this into your decision to bet.

IME the c/r with blockers bluff is just not a common play. Given the action you have described, how is he getting to the river here with just blockers given the texture of the board?

I'll post a hand example

So to keep action simple with both examples, hero cbets flop 70% bets turn 65%, and river villain checks and now up to hero to bet or check back?

example 1

hero is BTN with K694

flop 553A8


example 2

hero is BTN with Q743

flop 898J4


Say without much info on re villains river c/r?

Also their might be some not liking this flop and turn play . but that's a different discussion so river is bet or check back?

Disclaimer: it's been 3 years since I played any PLO.

Hand 1. I check the flop. it's a dry board, and HU this sucks to get check-raised. Keep the pot manageable, and try to improve for free on the turn.

Hand 2. Same as hand 1. This board is more likely to hit villains range and we still have a piece but we still want to control the pot.

If you're betting the flop and turn here, then I probably check the river. If villain is chasing a flush, it's likely better than ours and he isn't giving up now.

But yeah, your mistake here is blowing the pot up in a very marginal situation - not missing out on value on the river. There are much easier spots to make money in PLO.

the hand examples and betting turn was a bad hand example of what i was trying to ask sorry, my bad.

So as i said i think the flop is standardly checked instead of cbetting by most players that i agree but lets say i cbet flop anyway for this example.

so we cbet the flop and flush hits on the turn and we both check the turn and villain again checks the river to us this is more of what i was trying to ask.



So were are on the river, with the only action being raise preflop and both players check turn when flush hits and villain then checks again to us on the river.

do we bet this river for value now this is the correct example scenario i was trying to ask? sorry again to confuse.

I just think these are easy bets given low in game action

edit: should read with the only action being raise preflop cbet flop and both players check turn when flush hits and villain then checks again to us on the river.

also to add vs players with not much info so as a standard play

thx

At low stakes PLO this is a trivial value bet as described. Of course, you might get raised occasionally, but you will also get looked up pretty light.

Mid stakes you might get more tricky players, but when I was playing regularly there are just not many players capable of check-raising this river as a bluff, and it's a mistake for a player to (readless) check-raise a full house as played.

OK thanks