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Old 07-03-2012, 10:01 PM   #26
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

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But its not my fault. And the truth is, if I didn't felt him, someone else would have because he was the biggest donk in the world.

Ultimately, the way I resolve it internally is that its nothing personal, and if its not me that takes their money its going to be someone else so it might as well be me.
What others are doing is not a point at all; if you kill someone and take his money and say that someone else would have done it if you wouldn't have, I think you are pretty out of your mind then. And we all die in the long run, so no problem killing anyone for a good reason like getting his shoes or something.
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:21 PM   #27
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

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If you feel bad about winning, then poker isn't the game for you.
Some people have the mentality some don't. Poker for profit may not be for you. You can still play for fun. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Old 07-06-2012, 12:01 PM   #28
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

I don't even think about it. Players voluntarily enter the game and I don't interfere with that. Bad players inject cash passively into the games and keep them going, it just happens.

Poker thrives on bad and new players, there has to be cash injection from somewhere that's why poker sites are constantly giving out signup bonuses and guaranteed prize pool tournaments to suck in more players and bring old players back.
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Old 07-06-2012, 04:42 PM   #29
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

It's the same in any competition.
Trading for a living means profiting on other investors mistakes, crushing their portfolios with good decision. For sure it's not live, you are no seeing them, but just think about all these professional traders out there who are living on the back of so many small investors...
Think about the Olympics, you are crushing days, weeks, months or years of efforts, some guys spent thousand of hours while having part-time jobs or even full time ones training for them. And in some minutes or even seconds, all their efforts are crushed by a better competitor.
That is the nature of competition, if you enter in it it's because you are ready to get your ass kicked on a regular basis and getting back up everytime with the same smile on your face because you know you will get them in the long run.
Don't feel pity, take their money. It's the nature of this game.
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Old 07-12-2012, 05:16 PM   #30
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

i used to feel bad as well when stacking donks but when I got stacked, had no money for gas, food, rent, fun, and i like **** this
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:30 PM   #31
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

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If you feel bad about winning, then life isn't the game for you.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:12 PM   #32
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

Guilt is for people with a soul.

You trade your soul for the ability to soul read.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:25 PM   #33
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

Felt this a few times, 2 things justify it for me:

1. They're there to gamble, they'd lose their money to the house and other players if u weren't there.

2. 99% of poker players are c**ts, tf for online
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Old 07-14-2012, 07:47 AM   #34
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You freakin' kiddin' me??? Does Drew Brees feel bad when he obliterates a defensive secondary and torches them for 4 touchdowns, 450 yards and a 133.4 passer rating? Does Kobe Bryant feel guilty when he humiliates a "playoff contender" by racking up a triple double?

Come on man, get REAL! No real competitor feels bad about winning. It's not as though anybody is FORCING these idiots to play poker. They make the conscience decision to take their money and sit at a table and hope to win. Do you think they'd feel bad after taking your money?
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:18 PM   #35
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

I don't feel guilty about beating people risking money they can afford in exchange for having a good time, provided they give informed consent, any more than I think the film industry should feel guilty about taking money without giving customers something tangible in return.

However, I do draw a line at taking money from those who can't afford to lose it or who suffer from pathological addiction. If I knew a certain way to exclude them from games I play in, I would. I don't think they're a very large proportion of live poker players; don't know about online.
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:20 PM   #36
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

haven't read the responses. But if you don't beat this bad player then someone else will. Better to have the money to go to you right?
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:20 PM   #37
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Trading for a living means profiting on other investors mistakes, crushing their portfolios with good decision.
In theory, securities trading is different because the underlying asset represents productive activity. The company benefits society by turning raw materials into widgets (or marshaling human capital into valuable services) and we share in that wealth as a reward for providing the capital to make it possible. Over time the entire market is supposed to make money, sort of like a reverse rake.

In reality, of course, with day trading and increasingly exotic derivatives, it's just another casino.
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:08 AM   #38
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

Heard at the table on this issue as the really bad compulsive player walks away from the table after their 4th but short $56 buy-in in a $10-$20 LHE, complete with 10's 5's and 1's.

"If they don't care about their money, why should you?"

But my philosphy is: It's healthy to go home feeling guilty and hoping they afford it or recover but it's unhealthy to feel guilty at the table.

Every hand you beat them with, with good solid play, you are setting them an example of how to play. Whether they follow it or not is beyond your responsibility.

Furthermore, there will be days where sick compulsive players will run over you as the deck hits them every hand. They will feel happy, they will feel proud, they may even straighten up and spend some of that money 'cause "nothing sets the mind right like running good" -- but they will not care an iota about you.
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:16 PM   #39
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I always respond to my sister with "*****, we talkin about hard work now? Hard work? You don't think losing your weekly paycheck for 6 months before becoming a winning player was hard work?" "Those were the hardest working times of my life"
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:31 AM   #40
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

If you think it's wrong to take their money don't. It's that simple. If it's against your values then stick to them and give up poker. Playing poker for a living is tough as it is. Don't do it if it makes you hate yourself or question whether you're a good person.

My own personal answer is that it's hard to make a living without ever hurting or deceiving someone. I don't enjoy hurting people but sometimes it's part of the game.
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Old 07-28-2012, 12:08 AM   #41
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

1. Poker is effectively legalized combat, where 2-10 players sit down and attempt to take each other's money under formalized rules of engagement. No one has a mandate to come into a casino and bring a buy-in to the table.

2. The money in play at the table is not going to (insert your worthy charity of choice). Instead, it's being used to "fight" (see above) other human beings.
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Old 07-28-2012, 03:30 AM   #42
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2. The money in play at the table is not going to (insert your worthy charity of choice). Instead, it's being used to "fight" (see above) other human beings.
Maybe I want to win it so I can give it to the worthy charity of choice.
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Old 08-06-2012, 04:24 AM   #43
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

I feel bad sometimes. I think most people do to a certain extent. It can be very hard in a live setting. I try to be friendly and nice to the person and if they say how unlucky they were I nod my head and agree. "Yup, that was really unlucky."
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:37 AM   #44
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

I once whilst playing 100nlHU had a man sit me who proceeded to click buttons (pretty much literally) and over the course of about 3-4 hours lost 1000$ to me.

At the end he said something like "wow I'm fuct now" and I asked him why. He proceeded to say something like "I just kept reloading like it wasn't real money " to which I responded "lol" obviously. He went on about it for a moment and he did not seem to be upset or angry but rather sad and confused.

I somehow asked him what he did for a living. He answered "Janitor". He left shortly after that.

I believed him. He was not being dramatic or asking for some back or even looking for pitty - He was just kind of like "jesus I'm dumb" - I almost sort of felt bad. I kind of felt like I def should have felt bad. Ultimately I did not feel bad at all. Ship the ten buy-ins.

Why? If not me it would be someone else.

ps OPs post had to be a level but it brought up some semi interesting isht.
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:08 AM   #45
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

tbh i have this problem too in live poker you can sense that some people cant afford to lose whats infront of them and when you stack them they are visibly soul crushed i cant even make eye contact and prob give off a douche vibe because i just stare at the chips and stack them i feel awful though =/
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:05 AM   #46
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

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I once whilst playing 100nlHU had a man sit me who proceeded to click buttons (pretty much literally) and over the course of about 3-4 hours lost 1000$ to me.

At the end he said something like "wow I'm fuct now" and I asked him why. He proceeded to say something like "I just kept reloading like it wasn't real money " to which I responded "lol" obviously. He went on about it for a moment and he did not seem to be upset or angry but rather sad and confused.

I somehow asked him what he did for a living. He answered "Janitor". He left shortly after that.

I believed him. He was not being dramatic or asking for some back or even looking for pitty - He was just kind of like "jesus I'm dumb" - I almost sort of felt bad. I kind of felt like I def should have felt bad. Ultimately I did not feel bad at all. Ship the ten buy-ins.

Why? If not me it would be someone else.

ps OPs post had to be a level but it brought up some semi interesting isht.
I had something very similar to this 100nl HU, german guy dropped $1000 to me in like 2 hours, chatting all thw while and the more i took the more it wounded him, really nice guy but i felt terrible when he said bye and left
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:18 AM   #47
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

It's a game, and by using superior strategy you're both teaching your opponent a lesson about what he's doing wrong, and providing him with entertainment at the same time. Your opponent is a consenting adult voluntarily playing a game of skill with his own money. There's nothing wrong with winning at a game, if you DIDN'T try to win you'd be doing him a disservice

Also, he is already playing poker and WILL lose that money to someone regardless of what you do, so why not you?
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Old 08-21-2012, 11:55 AM   #48
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...by using superior strategy you're both teaching your opponent a lesson about what he's doing wrong....
I've gotta say, that's the most novel argument I've heard.

I agree with the rest, except in the case of actual gambling addicts. The poker community needs to be more aggressive about getting them help to improve the overall PR for what we do, much like the casinos have the posters all over the place to keep the public from wanting to shut them down.
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:32 PM   #49
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

I have felt guilt playing live poker over the years, in certain situations. It's a lot easier to feel guilt playing live than online, because it is easy to see when your opponents are pathetic, or might have a gambling problem. The vibe from some of them is not hard to miss.

I always just fall back on the cliche; if it wasn't me winning their money it'd be someone (or something) else. I try to be polite and respectful to them (and to everyone) and I tell myself that I at least deserve it more than some of the other people or companies they could be losing their money to.
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Old 08-22-2012, 03:31 AM   #50
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Re: How to not feel guilty about beating bad players?

I just clean myself up and put it down to human .......

oh wait
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