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08-16-2019 , 03:13 AM
So far the poker game is very famous and very much in demand by people in this world. Because so many enthusiasts of this game, then in each country different rules, but still the same rules in general.

If you have already played poker, then Texas Holdem Poker is no stranger to you. There is the most important thing you should know. Are you a player poker or gambler poker?

In general, the two have no difference. But there will be a number of comparisons that make a very significant difference. What is that?

The first mistake that makes people often run out of funds very quickly in playing online poker is that they play very aggressively. Poker gambling itself is a type of gambling that cannot be played haphazardly especially in a hurry. You have to think of ways or strategies to reduce the number of your opponents. If you play aggressively, it is you who will make it easier for your opponent to drain the funds you have. Generally, people who play poker aggressively will be desperate to anticipate the capacity of the opponent's playing cards.

The next fatal mistake in poker is to overestimate opponents. You need to know, the best way to play this game is to fool your opponent. They usually will not show that they have a death card combination in hand. Usually poker players who have experience actually look like people who are confused and do not dare to accept the challenge of their opponents. Look at that fact, it's good for you to never underestimate your opponents. In fact, the chances of your opponents that you consider trivial will actually come out the winner.

If you are included in one of the beginner online poker players, you should not continue to raise the number of bets on the table. The problem is, you are the one who will experience a loss if the opponent adds back the amount of the bet to be higher than the funds that you put and you actually lose. Always remember to stay relaxed and don't be hasty in making a decision. If you think the number of bets is high enough, it doesn't hurt if you give up and start a new game again. With the hope that the next card is better than before.
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08-20-2019 , 02:45 PM
Is it possible to pay a monthly fee for more of the info you just provided? I'm assuming this is a set up to sell something. My apologies if it is a sincere post.
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08-24-2019 , 08:16 AM
I don't sell something or marketing. I just write in my mind and what my hand want.
It's ok Lozgod, that is your opinion.
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08-29-2019 , 02:33 PM
So the first mistake that people make is to play aggressively. And the next mistake is to play too tight.

So loose and passive is the secret to winning. Got it.
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08-30-2019 , 08:54 PM
In English, it is a poker player and a gambler.

A poker player is the type of player who plays at his comfort level and wins. The gambler is the one who pushes up, gambling and makes shots here and there, this form, that form, online, live. That is gambling.

Having a gambling problem can be called a gambler but also a player who takes risks is called a gambler. The gamblers are often tax-free as they don't declare as pros.
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09-02-2019 , 04:36 PM
It's gambling is if you believe in success through luck

It's playing poker is if you believe in success through skill
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09-03-2019 , 05:09 AM
The first indicator if you're a gambler instead of a poker player is to check your hourly rate, then check your VPIP, above 30 live then you're a degen (in most cases). Negative win rate that's another indicator.
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09-03-2019 , 05:21 AM
If actually turning this into a serious debate then I think there so many more factors to consider than what’s been mentioned so far
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09-04-2019 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by antialias
It's gambling is if you believe in success through luck

It's playing poker is if you believe in success through skill
It's gambling either way. I think that this is an important point to understand (and it's stressed in a couple of 2+2 books)
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09-05-2019 , 05:44 PM
I just want this garbage title fixed. It makes no sense.
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09-20-2019 , 09:28 PM
If you have solid reasons for doing what you do in poker, you are a skilled player. If you don't know what you are doing or why, you're someone I'd like to play with.
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09-20-2019 , 10:21 PM
The first part is certainly not always true
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10-01-2019 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by valiantcalls
If you have solid reasons for doing what you do in poker, you are a skilled player. If you don't know what you are doing or why, you're someone I'd like to play with.
I very agree with you. And more, even a player being a beginer playing wrong a lot of times but based by an attempt to be better have to be considered a player in evolution, not a gambler. Gamblers are conscient about their approach about the poker game. They want to try to win pots only through the luck. Complementing your post, I think like this... Do you agree?
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10-01-2019 , 04:45 PM
If you play poker, you are a gambler. Poker is gambling. Skillful gambling is still gambling.
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10-02-2019 , 08:46 PM
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If you play poker, you are a gambler. Poker is gambling. Skillful gambling is still gambling.
By that "definition" getting out of bed in the morning and sitting in your car to drive to work is also gambling.
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10-02-2019 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by antialias
By that "definition" getting out of bed in the morning and sitting in your car to drive to work is also gambling.
Nice definition! In poker a gambler seems like a blinded driver that expect to get to the beach.
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10-03-2019 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by antialias
By that "definition" getting out of bed in the morning and sitting in your car to drive to work is also gambling.
I didn't "define" anything. Please learn the difference between a definition and an example.

There's an expert opinion on this topic in the "Fundamental Gambling Concepts" section of Small Stakes Hold'em (pg 19). I'm not going to copy the whole section here, but I'll copy the last sentence of the first paragraph:

Poker is gambling (emphasis theirs)

If you disagree, please explain why Miller, Sklansky, and Malmuth are wrong on this point.
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10-03-2019 , 06:15 AM
If we define gambling as playing a game of chance for money yeah, we're all gamblers.
It shouldn't matter that much if you have an edge or not I guess; for example, if you're playing coinflips for money with a 60% return chances are you'll win on the long run but you're still a gambler.
Who cares anyway, it's just a definition.
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10-05-2019 , 09:07 AM
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for example, if you're playing coinflips for money with a 60% return chances are you'll win on the long run but you're still a gambler.
No. Gambling is when you make a choice based on gut feeling or a belief in luck.
If you play a game as described you'll always bet on the 60% chance and just print money. A gambler would occasionally take the 40% chance 'just because'.
With a simple RoR calculation you can limit your chance of going broke to as close to zero as you want.
There's nothing in life (not even getting out of bed and not breaking your neck the next second) that is as sure as making money in such a game over teh long run with an appropriate RoR calculation.

Now if you're playing poker and you think you have an edge but you actually haven't - then you're gambling.
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10-05-2019 , 02:36 PM
That seems like complete nonsense to me. It's all gambling. Trying to get an edge is the skill part of gambling.
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10-06-2019 , 09:49 AM
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Trying to get an edge is the skill part of gambling.
If it's down to skill it's not gambling. You can't have it both ways.

Gambling is not the same as having a random element. Tossing (fair) coins is gambling. Playing poker is only gambling if you're a long-term losing poker player (one with a negative edge) - because then you're playing against the odds.

To use a more clear example: Playing roulette is gambling for the player. It is not gambling for the house.
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10-07-2019 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by antialias
If it's down to skill it's not gambling. You can't have it both ways.

Gambling is not the same as having a random element. Tossing (fair) coins is gambling. Playing poker is only gambling if you're a long-term losing poker player (one with a negative edge) - because then you're playing against the odds.

To use a more clear example: Playing roulette is gambling for the player. It is not gambling for the house.
I think you can have it both ways.

Why do you think that Miller et. al. specifically say Poker is gambling? The entire book is about using skill to gain a large edge in these games. That doesn't mean that it's not gambling.
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10-08-2019 , 03:46 PM
So you think the house is gambling in roulette? It has an edge. It's not guaranteed to win every time. It's not even guaranteed to win ever.

But I would argue the house isn't gambling - even though it's edge in each one spin of the wheel is tiny.
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10-08-2019 , 04:29 PM
I'd argue that the house is gambling. A whale can give even large casinos losing months.

Now, of course they have an edge. But whether or not you have an edge is unrelated. When you gamble, you have an expectation. When the expectation creeps from negative epsilon to positive epsilon it does not suddenly switch from gambling to not gambling.
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10-08-2019 , 07:16 PM
I expect to get a paycheck at the end of the month. I have a very high expectation that this will happen - but I am certainly not assured of it (company can fold...manager can make off with the money, ...).

By your definition that's gambling.
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